# Changes in the energy consumption of Ammar laser ships are needed **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 13, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514 "2024-02-13T13:27:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/82 "2024-02-16T22:41:17Z")
Damn some good people commented on that thread and they still didn’t actually take heed to any advice. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyberius_mnemon/32/386987_2.png) [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyberius_Mnemon)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/83 "2024-02-16T23:36:17Z")
You know, of course I knew that there are “especially gifted people”, but this is the first time I’ve seen people like you. So you need to be able to lie. And now, in order, we will close our discussion with you personally: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > - You: “Cap unstable is bad” > - “No” Yes, the unstable capacitor on Ammar ships using laser turrets and tank armor, compared to the fitting of other ships, is bad and I have already written why. Read what I wrote above. You cannot comprehend what I have written, these are not my problems, but yours. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You: “Therefore lasers are bad” I have not written anywhere that laser turrets are bad. Stop lying. I wrote that those bonuses that have laser turrets are not comparable to their energy consumption. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > “Because on balance of tons of other factors for fitting lasers on Amarr ships such as targeting, range, reload times, availabilty of fitting options, fleet positioning, cost/benefit, ammo selection, Tachyons unique benefits against opponents, Pulses unique strengths against opponents, and the use of beams, …” I wrote in sufficient detail about the factors that you listed in my posts above and outlined my position on these bonuses. I’m not going to rewrite my messages several times. But I especially recommend you to look at the screenshot where Tachyons are installed on Abbadon. And most importantly, do not forget to look at the values of the power grid. And by the way, no one has provided any reasonable objections to my statements, justifying that my position is not correct. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You: “Yeah, you heard me, stay on topic, you’re a dumb know-it-all!” Did I write somewhere that any of the people who answered me on this topic are dumb? You can’t lie out of the blue. And in the future, if you continue to blatantly lie, twist what I said, take my words out of context, then you risk hearing a lot of unpleasant expressions and words in your address. If you have constructive and, most importantly, reasonable criticism, I am ready to listen to it. If you don’t have it, you’d better shut up. I respect other people and the rules of this forum, but if you continue to behave like this and blatantly lie, I can make an exception for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/84 "2024-02-17T00:16:57Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You really remind me of [another painful thread where OP didn’t understand cap stability](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-repair-systems-skill-a-two-edged-sword/415892). Oh gods. I’d almost forgotten that one. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Yes, the unstable capacitor on Ammar ships using laser turrets and tank armor, compared to the fitting of other ships, is bad and I have already written why. Cap stability is neither needed nor desirable in most cases. The sacrifices you need to make on most fits to achieve cap stability leaves you vulnerable in many other areas. I’ll give you an example. Let’s take the Imperial Navy Slicer. This excellent little ship has been min/maxed heavily over the years to the point where there’s really only one major choice to be made: beams or pulses as the weapon system. In neither case is the Slicer cap stable. Fire up the ancillary armour repper along with the mwd and long point and you’ll cap out in well under a minute even with pulses. (With that said, yes I’m aware of the various meme ab/scram fits that can work very well in the confines of a faction warfare plex) With beams, you’re not even remotely cap stable with the mwd and point while firing your guns, let alone using the repper. So, if the face of it, a beam Slicer is a terrible fit. And yet, it’s actually very, very good in the right hands. You need to recognise that weakness and manage your cap carefully. With most ships, you’ll get your long point on the enemy as early as possible in the fight. With a beam Slicer, you need to wait until the enemy tries to escape and then fire up that long point. More than that, you need to actively fly the ship to reduce transversal and maximise your hits, all while staying out of scram range. Pulse Slicer is a tricky ship to fly well, but with scorch being so good, most people can figure it out. Beams are another level of difficulty altogether. If you can pull it off, you’re rewarded with amazing damage output and excellent projection. Again: neither fit is cap stable. Beams have cap issues right from the start. Yet both fits are very good for small gang or solo derping around. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/85 "2024-02-17T06:23:03Z")
> [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > And most importantly, do not forget to look at the values of the power grid. Please stay on topic, this is not about power grid of laser turrets on Amarr ships but about Capacitor consumption of laser turrets on Amarr ships. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > I have not written anywhere that laser turrets are bad. Stop lying. From your very first post in the OP: > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Are there any examples of good laser-armed ships? This tells anyone reading your first wall of text that you are looking for GOOD — aka „All Amarr ships I found are BAD“ — laser ships (excepting the shield paladin and nightmare). > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Did I write somewhere that any of the people who answered me on this topic are dumb? If your best defense is „I called people names but it wasn’t literally the word ‚dumb‘,“ then I am happy to have you correct me with your [actual real record of name calling](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/69) which includes hits like „try turning on the brain“ which — drumroll please — is calling someone „dumb“. Surprise, I wasn’t lying! > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > If you have constructive and, most importantly, reasonable criticism, I am ready to listen to it. Stop lying. You have demonstrated you will absolutely reject any and all feedback, demand „screenshots“ out of fear that words may be correct (like you did to me), call people names like „turn on brain“, tell people like me to „shut up“, and shout „stay on topic“ when people try to rightfully make arguments that put things in context. There’s approaching 100 posts in this thread and _not a single one_ has made you reconsider your closed-minded position. Stop lying that you are „ready to listen“ to „constructive and reasonable points“. I respect other people and the rules of this forum, but if you continue to behave like this and blatantly lie, I can make an exception for you. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/86 "2024-02-17T07:11:48Z")
> [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > I will not comment on your nonsense about the characteristics of turrets anymore. Either you attach screenshots with module parameters or there’s just nothing to talk about. Fine, attached are screenshots of re-balanced Tachyons and Mega Pulse lasers. Notably, I have balanced their capacitor usage as follows: - Tachyon IIs: - Old `Activation Cost`: 76 GJ - New `Activation Cost`: 12.74 GJ - Mega Pulse Laser IIs: - Old `Activation Cost`: 36 GJ - New `Activation Cost`: 9.8 GJ For some reason you are still obsessed with powergrid usage, so I balanced those too: - Tachyon IIs: - Old `Powergrid Usage`: 3,712 MW - New `Powergrid Usage`: 2,079 MW - Mega Pulse Laser IIs: - Old `Powergrid Usage`: 2,750 MW - New `Powergrid Usage`: 1,617 MW Attached are the full module parameter screenshots as you requested. A bunch of off topic parameters are tweaked to be 100% certain CCP Games considers them balanced, but you’ve already made it very clear that discussing those is off topic and that it is “nonsense” that you don’t want to discuss. * * * ![cyberius_mnemon_tachyon1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/a/3/ba3f4fc6f55059006934095c56554d1f107a9e56.jpeg) ![cyberius_mnemon_tachyon2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/e/c/5ecfa47ef9b17a6c77c849fa4de227ea90a77ade.jpeg) * * * ![cyberius_mnemon_megapulse1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/b/1/5b1c29e3187d8763e157f62adaef4bc16d204f9d.jpeg) ![cyberius_mnemon_megapulse2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/6/3/c638a04c4634401a040e6ac0b085a3c309ad4c96.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/87 "2024-02-17T07:32:30Z")
> [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > The topic of energy consumption of laser turrets on Ammar ships. Abbadon was given as an illustrative example (screenshots were also attached). It’s AMARR goddamn. You don’t even care enough for the issue to learn the correct names for the things you talk about. It also is ABADDON - not ABBADON. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > There is a problem, the screenshots confirm. Your screenshots only confirm that you are using bad fits and lack the knowledge how to fit and use laser ships. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Skills do not solve this problem. Skills only improve the situation a little. Skills solve the whole issue you are making, because skills are not limited to the ingame skills but also mean “learning how to use something”, it is meaning “your personal skill”. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > It’s not my first day playing. We already realized you are a pretty stubborn person that likes to do day-1 mistakes for quite some time. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > You are deeply mistaken if you think that this is a “beginner’s problem”. It’s just that people don’t want to read the nonsense that professional players write on the forum and enter into a discussion with them. Beginners ignoring tips based on experience and knowledge from better players make their problem a “beginner’s problem” by definition. To entirely solve your whole topic: > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Are there any examples of good laser-armed ships? Slicer, Retribution, Coercer+Navy, Crusader, OmenNavy, Legion, Harbinger+Navy, Oracle, Absolution, NavyApoc, Abaddon, Paladin, Revelation, Avatar All of them are _excellent_ choices in their ship class, able to rival if not to exceed most competitions performance if fitted and used right. This has been proven over and over for years by the players using these ships. You can now keep insisting that lasers eat up too much cap or just try to learn one of these ships by asking experienced “pros” how they fly it, what their strengths and weaknesses are and in which kind of situations or against which kind of opponnents they shine or suck. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/88 "2024-02-22T11:47:19Z")
I think all ships should be cap stable if you’ve fitted the intended weapons to it. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/89 "2024-02-22T23:37:56Z")
Then what is the new downside to lasers? ---
**Author:** ![Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyberius_mnemon/32/386987_2.png) [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyberius_Mnemon)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/90 "2024-02-22T23:43:14Z")
The disadvantage of lasers is that as soon as you install only laser turrets on the Ammar ship without other modules, your capacitor will be overloaded by 100 percent or more. I attached the screenshots above. And there is simply no adequate compensation for this fact. The laser has the worst tracking, only 2 types of damage and it is less than, for example, hybrid weapons. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/91 "2024-02-22T23:46:50Z")
It was a reply to the above stating that laser hulls should be cap stable with the guns. As for the capacitor problems, that is often-usually adequately compensated, as shown by widespread use of lasers. Your opinion is the fringe position that all of them are using too much cap and need a 60%+ reduction in cap use. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyberius_mnemon/32/386987_2.png) [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyberius_Mnemon)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/92 "2024-02-22T23:50:59Z")
Do I have a marginal position? Did you come up with this yourself or was it told by someone? Personally, I and a very large number of people have the opposite opinion to yours. Moreover, many people consider people like you to be marginals. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/93 "2024-02-22T23:53:56Z")
> [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Personally, I and a very large number of people have the opposite opinion to yours. So far, you have one other person who supports you that you can show. Got any evidence of said wide support? ---
**Author:** ![Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyberius_mnemon/32/386987_2.png) [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyberius_Mnemon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/94 "2024-02-23T00:00:48Z")
You can show it, the question is, do you understand a language other than English? Can you at least turn on the translator on YouTube? And about the fact that no one writes here. And it makes sense to write if there are, for the most part, alternatively gifted people sitting here who can’t analyze the information, but immediately write, like Drx Drx, “May you burn in eternity for your heresy.” Well, here’s the answer to the question of why they don’t write. Because we can’t talk, the level of intellectual development is at a very low level. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/95 "2024-02-23T00:24:17Z")
So, no, you cannot supply any such proof, and your insults are weak. I am not the one with the burden of proof there either. But I will suggest learning to fit better. Your ANI fit was pretty bad. Here’s a version that is as cap stable or better, with all 3 rig slots empty, has lower cap consumption for effectively identical resists if you have your armor compensations to 5, a hair more overall EHP, and room for a tracking enhancer too. ```auto [Augoror Navy Issue, Better ANI] Multispectrum Energized Membrane II Multispectrum Energized Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II 10MN Afterburner I Large Cap Battery II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] Hornet II x3 ``` And easy optimizations that improve your fits so dramatically that I can add utility, and remove rigs for cap stability to be used as you see fit, while making your tank less cap dependent is part of why we’re not taking your position as seriously as you might want. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/96 "2024-02-23T02:09:37Z")
> [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > In order to take advantage of the benefits that you have indicated, 2 things are necessary. 1. Grow a brain cell 2. Grow a second brain cell 3. rub brain cells together. 4. profit ---
**Author:** ![Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyberius_mnemon/32/386987_2.png) [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyberius_Mnemon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/97 "2024-02-23T02:44:28Z")
1. You are not in court, so that someone has the burden of proof. 2. I have given my arguments, you…Well, if you consider the writing that you tried to write here to be proof. Okay, for your level, maybe it will do. 3. I haven’t insulted you yet. So far, I haven’t insulted you, but I see you really want me to do it. If you don’t know what an insult is, open the dictionary and read it. 4. If I need something from you, which is unlikely, I will write to you. Although, what could I possibly need from a man like you? 5. Did I ask you to provide your own version of the ship’s fit? I don’t think so. 6. For you personally. You don’t have to offer me something when you’re not being asked, and I won’t tell you which place you need to go. 7. What you take seriously there and what you don’t, I don’t care at all. For me, you are a person with insufficient intelligence, with all the consequences that follow from this. Therefore, to continue any dialogue with you is like treating yourself with disrespect. I hope I explained it clearly? PS. Max Deveron this also applies to you. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/98 "2024-02-23T03:28:47Z")
> [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > You are not in court, so that someone has the burden of proof. By custom, the burden of proof is always on the claimant. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > I have given my arguments, you…Well, if you consider the writing that you tried to write here to be proof. Okay, for your level, maybe it will do. Your arguments are that one of the most popular types of weapons needs to have it’s primary drawback reduced by 60% or more, because you don’t like fitting around this issue, but the fits on your killboard are **TRASH**. 4 hardeners to cover all 4 resistances is -6gj/s, and 2 medium batteries on a ship with PG for days is a total waste. People are trying to save you from yourself, because it’s obvious you’re not good at this. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > I haven’t insulted you yet. So far, I haven’t insulted you, but I see you really want me to do it. If you don’t know what an insult is, open the dictionary and read it. Condescension, especially unearned, is an insult. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > If I need something from you, which is unlikely, I will write to you. Although, what could I possibly need from a man like you? Basic fitting advice, help with math, tutoring in english grammar, understanding of game balance principles, advice on how to be persuasive and have a better chance of getting people to listen to what you want. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > Did I ask you to provide your own version of the ship’s fit? I don’t think so. No, but I try to teach people the basics of fitting anywhere I go. It’s why what rigs would be best are left for an exercise in tailoring it to fit your needs. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > For you personally. You don’t have to offer me something when you’re not being asked, and I won’t tell you which place you need to go. Good. I’m offering you advice in how to be better in almost every aspect of this thread, and how to construct a better argument from top to bottom while suggesting that the problem you are pointing to is one where the tools are readily at hand to fix it. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > For me, you are a person with insufficient intelligence, with all the consequences that follow from this. And yet, I have actually used grammatical English, bettered the fit of something you lost in PVE by a wide margin, and showed data that disproves the alleged issue you are having. > [@Cyberius\_Mnemon](#): > > I hope I explained it clearly? You haven’t. There’s a reason that I went through the differences and specific points of comparison with exact modules listed and stats for all of those. Your specific desires are so hard to pin down that all I get is a general “CCP, make lasers not take as much energy across the board but they don’t need to have any other balancing done than a flat buff by removing their downside” since you don’t delve into the math, you don’t go into what the problems are other than they take too much cap, which even has a dedicated rig to reduce this “issue”, 20% in one t1 rig or 25% in a single t2. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/99 "2024-02-23T06:19:09Z")
Waste of time, that guy is too dumb to realize that Lasers simply are among the best Weapon Systems in the game and they need their energy consumption costs to prevent them from being totally OP. Even after all the advice in this topic by people using laserboats for years with great success, he still sticks to his stupid ‘must be capstable’ claims which are simpy hilarious. No one but complete newbs need ‘capstability’ in this game and the few occasions where excess cap regen is nessessary for a specific environment can be easily solved by fitting the ship properly. Laser usage in Abyssals, WH, Incursions or Eventsites clearly prove that. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/100 "2024-02-23T09:04:03Z")
@Cyberius_Mnemon You asked me for screenshots and [I provided them above](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/86). I showed how they can be changed to be cap stable. You just going to ignore that? ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changes-in-the-energy-consumption-of-ammar-laser-ships-are-needed/439514/101 "2024-02-23T09:20:27Z")
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