# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Agrikaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agrikaan/32/417416_2.png) [@Agrikaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agrikaan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2196 "2019-08-26T20:57:00Z")
Yeah, all CCP had to do the 2nd round of Cyno changes was to: - Introduce a “Vigil Beacon” high slot module with basic skill req’s, that does nothing but show the effect. That would have solved the vigil issue. – and – - Not re-change the JF \> Covert Cyno change. Then weeks of training and lots of spent SP, for thousands of players, would not have been wasted. As many have already prepared for the Cyno V / Covert Cyno change. It’s only about two weeks left until the September update hits us after all. ---
**Author:** ![Nakito\_Kobara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nakito_kobara/32/379065_2.png) [@Nakito\_Kobara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nakito_Kobara)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2197 "2019-08-26T20:58:13Z")
The change saves me a lot of training but would have been nice to give the option to allow JF to covert cynos. ---
**Author:** ![Gepa\_Bow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gepa_bow/32/289453_2.png) [@Gepa\_Bow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gepa_Bow)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2198 "2019-08-26T20:58:51Z")
what a screwed up situation. You announced a change then after the back lash are announcing another change with less time to prepare. With these new industrial cynos you have half assed in to the game will these be available before you bring in the wider cyno change so that we can waste more time effort & skill points in training in to industrial ships and have the new cynos & ships in place for our alts or are you planning to added them at the same time as the change so we cant jump anyway as now we can only use industrial cynos? and wasted time and effort in skilling our cyno alts to a change you are changing again. This is well and truley the chaos era as you make an announcement and then change it screwing us over again. ---
**Author:** ![Dukuan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dukuan/32/171783_2.png) [@Dukuan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dukuan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2199 "2019-08-26T21:00:57Z")
Argh, rip the season of skills sp i sunk into cyno 5 gg ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2200 "2019-08-26T21:04:08Z")
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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2201 "2019-08-26T21:06:05Z")
> [@Shalmon\_Aliatus](#): > > @CCP_Rise Industrial Cyno duration? ![unknown.png](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/5/e539b34a8e22bc8708bf7d96de5a609cc12ec48a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Chestnut\_Yanumano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chestnut_yanumano/32/152801_2.png) [@Chestnut\_Yanumano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chestnut_Yanumano)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2202 "2019-08-26T21:06:10Z")
Thank god i didnt inject my free SP yet. Freaking hell CCP… Make up your minds… ---
**Author:** ![5th\_Colum\_n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/5th_colum_n/32/157380_2.png) [@5th\_Colum\_n](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/5th_Colum_n)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2203 "2019-08-26T21:12:49Z")
You’r assuming logic where there is none. ---
**Author:** ![Mineral\_Molester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mineral_molester/32/389457_2.png) [@Mineral\_Molester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mineral_Molester)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2204 "2019-08-26T21:18:59Z")
Are you guys even trying anymore? Just make a Vigil Cyno that works exactly like the regular cyno, except any ship can fit it and no one can jump to it. This conforms to your “I don’t want to actually develop changes and new game mechanics” style of development, it keeps a game tradition alive, and it has no impact on the actual playing of the game. Done. ---
**Author:** ![Sliv\_Calheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sliv_calheia/32/157402_2.png) [@Sliv\_Calheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sliv_Calheia)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2205 "2019-08-26T21:23:44Z")
Panic Attack. Alliance would like to cordially invite every remaining member of this game to a Cyno-lit Vigil to honor the death of our respect for the EvE Online Dev Team. We will be holding this memorial service at 00:00eve, the night before this patch drops, and we will also be holding a prayer service in the hopes that they will one day sack-up and ignore the player base for changes they know will be good for the advancement of this game. * * * What you have essentially done, at least the perception of it, is to announce a large change that will disrupt the player-base on a whole, and give the players time to compensate for said change. Then, after much complaining by the community (which is known to cry about EVERYTHING), you then go…oh…yeah…well…let’s just make another module instead, which, you could’ve done in the first place had you thought for more than 8 seconds about this. And in making an additional change to this patch, kind of F people over who had spent IRL money to turn on multiple accounts in order to not be behind when the patch drops. (inb4 free SP, which, honestly, doesn’t do much for the overall respect that you would’ve gained by those who can appreciate you running the game how _you/your team_ wants to run it) In where I understand the thought process of this ‘community tradition’, to think that you’re not being ‘played’ by your own player-base is kind of naive. If the worst thing to happen to the original change was the loss of cyno-lit vigils, it’s not much of a loss in the grand scheme of things. You propose an idea that, whether or not is supported completely, is seen in the light of ‘this is how we want our game to be played’ but then shy-away from it with immature backlash. It would’ve been soooo much better to add a memorial cyno for the niche purpose of the cyno-vigils rather than going back on your original plan. * * * The last few months alone has drastically improved the health of this game but obviously, the loudest mouths have you by the baIls. It’s a real shame because there’s a lot of us out there that really do root for you and cheer-lead when you ignore the bltchy community and do your own thing. You’ll always have complaints and cannot make everyone happy, so make _your_ game and those who enjoy it will stay. The one’s who leave, will just leave…but to bend over and take it by your own community is sickening. The admiration and respect that you would’ve had by giving a moderate finger to the community by saying, ‘this is how it’s going to be because we believe in it fully, it’s your choice to leave or stay but this is how we want the game to be’…ugh. By curtailing your decision making by attempting to make everyone happy…well…that loses you the respect of everyone involved because those who throw the temper-tantrum and get their way won’t give a F about you for being weak leaders/know they can get into the cookie jar whenever they want. And those who see you meekly complying with the crying children won’t respect you for the same thing. It’s a lose-lose. Please, if you’re doing to read any of this…don’t flip-flop. Make a decision and stick with it, you’ll garner more respect. Those who don’t like it can leave, those who stick with you will help you flourish. o7 DS Edit:Add ---
**Author:** ![Bumfluff\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumfluff_bob/32/157411_2.png) [@Bumfluff\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumfluff_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2206 "2019-08-26T21:28:09Z")
All the skills into 5 different alts and the 10 cov-ops that I just brought back from Jita. Why do you do this CCP? I feel like a winner just now, I really do. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2207 "2019-08-26T21:29:55Z")
> [@Sliv\_Calheia](#): > > Panic Attack. Alliance would like to cordially invite every remaining member of this game to a Cyno-lit Vigil to honor the death of our respect for the EvE Online Dev Team. i hope your attempt at attention whoring only gets ur people to show up. these changes would have been fine if they were kept secret. people say ‘consult more with the community’ but thats code for ‘i want to make sure me and my group are ahead of the curve’ - and thats human nature but CCP needs to be above giving into that. now everyone and their dog is preparing for this. not so good outcome @CCP_Rise ---
**Author:** ![Sliv\_Calheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sliv_calheia/32/157402_2.png) [@Sliv\_Calheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sliv_Calheia)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2208 "2019-08-26T21:32:26Z")
> i hope your attempt at attention whoring only gets ur people to show up. I hope you can learn to read sarcasm in text one day lol ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2209 "2019-08-26T21:32:39Z")
> [@Kuhn\_Arashi](#): > > You asked what the T2 ones can be used for. You can still use a clownshoe cyno, or an empty industrial for next to no cost. The ‘cost’ is significant - My trip to jita is six jumps through nul and lowsec, that equals 120K space in my JF that is no longer usable as I need to carry 6 replacement industrial’s and six replacement industrial cynos, each way. CCP really don’t think things through very well. This new “Era of CCP punishing small groups” is just not the right way to go.,. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2210 "2019-08-26T21:32:43Z")
oh ok. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2211 "2019-08-26T21:35:24Z")
Just going to quote myself, as it actually seems even more pertinent now… > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Pretty much confirms it as a cheap ass (low effort) change without sufficient thought process - distinct lack of understanding (or giving a damn about game play) comes through quite clearly, that and absolutely no effort into producing a better gaming experience for players. Need some competent devs… ---
**Author:** ![keenzi\_Akachi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keenzi_akachi/32/358581_2.png) [@keenzi\_Akachi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/keenzi_Akachi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2212 "2019-08-26T21:39:50Z")
> **[r/Eve - Industrial Cynos…. have fun staging your Cynoships en route or CCPlz...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/cvti9n/industrial_cynos_have_fun_staging_your_cynoships/)** > > 0 votes and 16 comments so far on Reddit this is a solution to the Problem you see ---
**Author:** ![Cassie\_Helio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cassie_helio/32/384502_2.png) [@Cassie\_Helio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cassie_Helio)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2213 "2019-08-26T21:41:59Z")
This is spot on. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2214 "2019-08-26T21:46:00Z")
> [@CCP\_Rise](#): > > Now Industrials will offer a very affordable option with a cyno that appears in overview and on the map. Adding so much additional cost to the use of JF’s is not an “affordable option”. September release should be postponed until CCP hire someone who actually knows what “affordable option” means. No more “updates” until someone at CCP has any understanding of what “real” affects these poorly planned changes will have. I’m all for Cyno Vigals - But not at the expense of adding so much additional cost to using my JF.,. ---
**Author:** ![Aiwha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiwha/32/154714_2.png) [@Aiwha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiwha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2215 "2019-08-26T21:50:35Z")
Please still let us use covops for JF’s. Yeah it takes a bit to train for, but its so convenient. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=106) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=108)