# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Tappits](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tappits/32/256441_2.png) [@Tappits](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tappits)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2216 "2019-08-26T22:04:03Z")
How you feal about the OP now? this did not even take 15h from when I posted to get changed. ---
**Author:** ![Mar5hy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mar5hy/32/407968_2.png) [@Mar5hy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mar5hy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2217 "2019-08-26T22:07:37Z")
@CCP_Rise I have to say as a Thera Dweller and Cov ops pilot. This has been the best month in eve I have ever had in my 13 years playing this game. Using covert ops and hunting the null umbrellas was getting soul destroying before blackout. I thank you so much for giving us an era in this game. Please keep up the hard work and don’t let the meta gaming get to you. Great Work. ---
**Author:** ![Elliminator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elliminator/32/157417_2.png) [@Elliminator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elliminator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2218 "2019-08-26T22:14:04Z")
i Agree it takes a while to train for but worth it in the end just let JF also use the covop cyno as an addition, see it as a reword for investing SP in an alt resulting in a cheaper jump. while future ppl that are training for a JF have a somewhat low thresh hold to actually start jumping with one. ---
**Author:** ![Throne\_Si](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/throne_si/32/157391_2.png) [@Throne\_Si](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Throne_Si)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2219 "2019-08-26T22:15:26Z")
This is gold. My day is better now 🤣😂🤣😂 ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2220 "2019-08-26T22:18:32Z")
ok actually read what u wrote you are right but u could’ve said it in less words ---
**Author:** ![Depopulo\_Denuo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/depopulo_denuo/32/154488_2.png) [@Depopulo\_Denuo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Depopulo_Denuo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2221 "2019-08-26T22:20:15Z")
still ■■■■ ---
**Author:** ![Legion40k](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/legion40k/32/139663_2.png) [@Legion40k](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Legion40k)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2222 "2019-08-26T22:22:40Z")
> **Update August 26** : Words We’ve gone from a potential **huge** buff for JF logistics chains hopping about to covert cynos… to they jump to the indy cyno lit by t1 industrials or regular cyno on recons/blops…No-one in their right mind is gonna try to seed badgers at mid-jump points coz of their bulk/vulnerability outside of hisec… and babysitting/feeding recons each jump for logistics trips isn’t viable at all. I’m confused what the goal is here for JF’s, are you buffing them or nerfing them into oblivion? **Please keep cyno mechanics separate** - it’s probably best to make up some kind of ‘Vigil Beacon Module’ or a lil deployable structure that takes fuel to be a beacon on the overview ---
**Author:** ![Cesaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cesaro/32/204196_2.png) [@Cesaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cesaro)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2223 "2019-08-26T22:23:59Z")
There’s absolutely no excuse that someone flying an 8+ bil ship can have that would justify them not needing to have advanced characters to cyno to. Their original plan was inconvenient, because it required retraining etc. but it makes sense. T1 freighters fly around for beginners on their own, when you move up to JFs, you are going to be running multiple accounts anyway. It should be a higher level skill barrier to fly them effectively. This coming from a guy who runs multiple cynos, has been ganked, and also ganks JFs. ---
**Author:** ![VeronicaKell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veronicakell/32/146446_2.png) [@VeronicaKell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/VeronicaKell)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2224 "2019-08-26T22:29:19Z")
This still isn’t a great compromise. Why not mass or class limit cynos? Really think limiting the number of ships would be a better solution. Then that’s the only change. This absolutly kills the logic behind giving us corvettes in upwell structures. They are the best cyno ship for moving jfs as well as rorqs, dreads, and carriers. ---
**Author:** ![5th\_Colum\_n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/5th_colum_n/32/157380_2.png) [@5th\_Colum\_n](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/5th_Colum_n)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2225 "2019-08-26T22:32:33Z")
All of this is a huge buff to goons. Yes you will kill the dumb goon, but goons will adapt. All other null will die. Only ones that can afford this in the end is goons. Enjoy your hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2226 "2019-08-26T22:37:20Z")
> [@5th\_Colum\_n](#): > > All of this is a huge buff to goons. Yes you will kill the dumb goon, but goons will adapt. All other null will die. Only ones that can afford this in the end is goons. > > Enjoy your hunt. true but only because goons actually work together well. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2227 "2019-08-26T22:38:57Z")
what u reckon should rise not have announced this? i reckon that was the fuckup here ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2228 "2019-08-26T22:39:18Z")
> [@Tappits](#): > > How you feal about the OP now? this did not even take 15h from when I posted to get changed. And isn’t it just so sad that CCP have 'again" caved to a minority group at the expense of everyone else.,. The idea of an industrial cyno is good - The implementation as usual and expected from CCP, just sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Zappity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zappity/32/502632_2.png) [@Zappity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zappity)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2229 "2019-08-26T22:40:12Z")
Ship some compressed ore to the mids and make a bunch of industrials there. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2230 "2019-08-26T22:41:41Z")
honestly would you rather this or a 40m bomber which doesn’t die because the cyno isn’t visible and jf can sorta sneakily get somewhere? i know i’d rather the original proposal. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2231 "2019-08-26T22:42:10Z")
So your answer is - add more trash to a trash idea - Sure why not.,. > [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](#): > > honestly would you rather this or a 40m bomber which doesn’t die because the cyno isn’t visible and jf can sorta sneakily get somewhere? > > i know i’d rather the original proposal. the original proposal wasn’t perfect but it is a much better option than what we have now. ---
**Author:** ![Zappity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zappity/32/502632_2.png) [@Zappity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zappity)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2232 "2019-08-26T22:43:33Z")
I’m just saying that if you can’t respond to a minor inconvenience like this then maybe a JF route isn’t really for you. Building, or buying because they are sure to be well stocked at popular mids before long, is not that hard. ---
**Author:** ![Godric\_Starguard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/godric_starguard/32/157425_2.png) [@Godric\_Starguard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Godric_Starguard)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2233 "2019-08-26T22:49:41Z")
Sorry, this is worse, imagine trying to fly a T1 indy out on cyno chains, now imagine trying to do it at weird hours to avoid gate camps or imagine trying more than 5 times to get a chain in place. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2234 "2019-08-26T22:54:38Z")
So again, the simple answer is the best option… I don’t use “popular mids”, I prefer to move my JF as safely as possible. I used to stock cynos in “popular mids”, made a fortune out of them - How much do you think T1 industrial’s will sell for, when the seller knows he has a captive market? Of course it is all me - Moving “the same” JF around new eden for over 6 years shows it isn’t for me. ---
**Author:** ![Zappity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zappity/32/502632_2.png) [@Zappity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zappity)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2235 "2019-08-26T22:59:17Z")
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