# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Fermin\_Mascagranzas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fermin_mascagranzas/32/291148_2.png) [@Fermin\_Mascagranzas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fermin_Mascagranzas)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2338 "2019-08-28T06:07:12Z")
So, you first make me skill my cyno alts into cyno V and covops, then on halfway you change your mind, and decide that I will have supply ventures to every waypoint in each jump, and that the previous skilling will be vain. Well guess that I wouldn´t have made any money hauling anyway, cause my null region is dead since blackout. Have you taken a look here lately? [https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) Are you trying to ruin the game on purpose? Maybe some type of creative strike against your new overlords? I was already on low power mode but this has just nailed the coffin. Gosh, at least it has been PERFECT timing. One year earlier and I don´t know what would I had played. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2339 "2019-08-28T06:15:29Z")
Don’t forget to contract me all your stuff for 1 isk. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2340 "2019-08-28T06:50:38Z")
You make a fool of yourself, by showing that you have no clue how EvE economy works. Better stop posting about related topics. Destroying stuff or replacing stuff does not remove any ISK from the game because you purchase from players who get the ISK not from CCP. Insurance is paid regardless whether you insure your ship or not. The payout comes from CCP as injection into the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Yursh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yursh/32/157706_2.png) [@Yursh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yursh)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2341 "2019-08-28T07:01:40Z")
Are the changes already in effect? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2342 "2019-08-28T08:25:58Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Destroying stuff or replacing stuff does not remove any ISK from the game It does because of broker fees and sales taxes and contract fees. But oh wait, CCP removed the broker fees because of structures. I guess you are right to some extend. ---
**Author:** ![Tellian\_O\_Keefe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tellian_o_keefe/32/423470_2.png) [@Tellian\_O\_Keefe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tellian_O_Keefe)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2343 "2019-08-28T09:08:36Z")
Doesn’t actually matter, the purcase of replacement might or might not attached to ISK sinks. You can get it via trade window which never was a sink for the whole economy, make direct contracts, … But the destruction is a faucet, since you even get 1 ISK for a uninsured Gnosis. ---
**Author:** ![Niki\_Koskanaiken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niki_koskanaiken/32/393248_2.png) [@Niki\_Koskanaiken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niki_Koskanaiken)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2344 "2019-08-28T10:18:56Z")
The idea of built in NPC insurance outside of highsec is just idiotic in its core if you ask me… ---
**Author:** ![Lauren\_Mitchell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauren_mitchell/32/172367_2.png) [@Lauren\_Mitchell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauren_Mitchell)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2345 "2019-08-28T10:24:26Z")
Can we at least get another “extend Omega time 3 months, get 3 months of extra skill queue” offer to help facilitate the training into the new cyno ships? Ffs CCP, throw us a (nice) bone once in a while. It’s no wonder tranquility activity numbers remain stagnant. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2346 "2019-08-28T10:27:23Z")
> [@Niki\_Koskanaiken](#): > > The idea of built in NPC insurance outside of highsec is just idiotic in its core if you ask me… To be fair, if you look at the MER, the insurance net faucet is not that big and a problem for the economy. Not sure what the impact of mass destruction of T1 haulers instead of noob ships will have on that. ---
**Author:** ![UNR3al1st1c](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/unr3al1st1c/32/434128_2.png) [@UNR3al1st1c](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/UNR3al1st1c)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2347 "2019-08-28T13:10:00Z")
Good choice, put the new Cyno for jump freighter ---
**Author:** ![Benzmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/benzmann/32/418975_2.png) [@Benzmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Benzmann)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2348 "2019-08-28T13:52:17Z")
no they are not. you dont need the capital ship skill to pilot one. ---
**Author:** ![Neva\_Second](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neva_second/32/374578_2.png) [@Neva\_Second](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neva_Second)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2349 "2019-08-28T17:59:43Z")
> [@CCP\_Rise](#): > > **Update August 26** : We have received an enormous amount of feedback on this change and have decided to make some adjustments to address the biggest issues we see by adding a 3rd type of cyno that can be fit to tech I industrials and used by Jump Freighters. This will solve the most important issue raised which was that cyno vigils would be impossible with the steep skill and ISK requirements associated with Recons and Black Ops. Now Industrials will offer a very affordable option with a cyno that appears in overview and on the map. We are very glad to preserve this tradition and appreciate the community emphasis on doing so. > > note: this means that Jump Freighters will not be able to jump to covert cynos as we originally planned. This is an alternative solution, not an additional one. I have to be honest CCP, I was not a fan of the proposed changes, specifically how they impacted my logistics chain. However being a longtime player and customer I sucked it up and injected skills to get my chain ready for the changes, then I stocked my structures with CovOps hulls and Covert Cynos. Again as a loyal customer I took you at your word that the change announced was what would happen. Once again you have proven to be unreliable at simply announcing a change and finding the intestinal fortitude to stick with the change, and players such as myself get burned trying to play by the rules you create/change. How about manning the F\*\*K up and either stick with the proposed change or offer SP refunds for those of us who pay your salary? I fully expect to be scammed, lied to and taken advantage of by players in the game, frankly this reversal is no less a scam and you should make players effected whole. ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2350 "2019-08-28T19:02:15Z")
> [@Neva\_Second](#): > > I have to be honest CCP, I was not a fan of the proposed changes, specifically how they impacted my logistics chain. However being a longtime player and customer I sucked it up and injected skills to get my chain ready for the changes, then I stocked my structures with CovOps hulls and Covert Cynos. Again as a loyal customer I took you at your word that the change announced was what would happen. Once again you have proven to be unreliable at simply announcing a change and finding the intestinal fortitude to stick with the change, and players such as myself get burned trying to play by the rules you create/change. How about manning the F\*\*K up and either stick with the proposed change or offer SP refunds for those of us who pay your salary? I fully expect to be scammed, lied to and taken advantage of by players in the game, frankly this reversal is no less a scam and you should make players effected whole. If you invested in all of that before these changes have been formally announced with a date of implementation, and/or added to the test server prior to release then frankly you are just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2351 "2019-08-28T19:18:14Z")
Yeah, because waiting for things to be formally announced when Rise is already getting crap from Hilmar for giving players _almost_ enough warning to _maybe_ train for these changes… that’s not gonna bring all sorts of headaches to the professional haulers out there. ---
**Author:** ![Narcissa\_Aisele](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/narcissa_aisele/32/157805_2.png) [@Narcissa\_Aisele](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Narcissa_Aisele)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2352 "2019-08-28T19:18:16Z")
You are 100% right about the SP Refund. What a screw job. They gave me the run around on the support ticket because they are a bunch of A\*\*\*\*\*\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Thematic\_Chaos\_Eto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thematic_chaos_eto/32/424283_2.png) [@Thematic\_Chaos\_Eto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thematic_Chaos_Eto)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2353 "2019-08-28T19:26:22Z")
Most of us dont use JF’s, and they are crap at combat… so this does not help a large portion of the playerbase ---
**Author:** ![Thematic\_Chaos\_Eto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thematic_chaos_eto/32/424283_2.png) [@Thematic\_Chaos\_Eto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thematic_Chaos_Eto)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2354 "2019-08-28T19:28:37Z")
When they said the age of chaos - what they meant was in the CCP offices, the only person who had any clue on what to do probably went on maternity leave or something, and they decided to make an organisational bug into a feature… ---
**Author:** ![Narcissa\_Aisele](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/narcissa_aisele/32/157805_2.png) [@Narcissa\_Aisele](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Narcissa_Aisele)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2355 "2019-08-28T19:36:08Z")
Part of me hopes they kill this game with the chaos era just because they have officially made it onto my bad list and I want to see them fail. Do I like the game? Yes. Do I like how they are managing it? Absolutely not. They have become penny pinching, stingy jerks who don’t care about their loyal customers. ---
**Author:** ![Neva\_Second](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neva_second/32/374578_2.png) [@Neva\_Second](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neva_Second)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2356 "2019-08-28T19:45:59Z")
“This September we are planning large changes for Cynosural Fields:” Is this enough of an announcement? Ever run a logistics chain brainiac? They announced the change to allow players like myself time to skill up to the changes, which I/we did. Then they couldn’t handle the overwhelming negative response (justified mind you) and caved to pressure to go a 3rd direction that renders useless the investment made for their announced changes. Sounds kinda sorta scammy in my opinion. Troll elsewhere pubbie (No kills since 2015 and your voicing an opinion? Go play WOW scrub) ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/2357 "2019-08-28T19:47:15Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yeah, because waiting for things to be formally announced when Rise is already getting crap from Hilmar for giving players _almost_ enough warning to _maybe_ train for these changes… that’s not gonna bring all sorts of headaches to the professional haulers out there. Yea I’ve made billions JF hauling for Push so I get it. I added cyno 5 to my cyno alt queues as soon as I saw this. Even if I wasted a couple weeks of training on that it benefits in other ways so I’m not gonna cry over that. If you decided this early to drop billions on ships and injectors, yea that is plain dumb. It would take you what say an hour to be VERY generous to purchase and apply skill injectors. So there is NO reason to be injecting this early in the game. Similarily when this popped up on the patch notes for the upcoming patch you’d likely have at least few days you could then stock some ships. So yea bottom line anyone who jumped this early was not thinking clearly, or is so new they never saw that theses “plans” always have adjustments from the time these threads are made until they go live. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=113) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=115)