# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Rapscallion\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rapscallion_jones/32/454121_2.png) [@Rapscallion\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rapscallion_Jones)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/546 "2019-08-14T19:28:35Z")
Dude it’s too late to pass the cost on to the customer once you accept the contract… ---
**Author:** ![Garruk\_Nillson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garruk_nillson/32/152289_2.png) [@Garruk\_Nillson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garruk_Nillson)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/547 "2019-08-14T19:28:39Z")
Yikes. Hard pass. ---
**Author:** ![Deaf\_Rosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deaf_rosen/32/173639_2.png) [@Deaf\_Rosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deaf_Rosen)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/548 "2019-08-14T19:29:37Z")
You know I really want to reiterate how badly you are disregarding the largest parts of your player base who put the most time into this game. A solo pilot cannot go out and be safe pretty much anywhere. Highsec, lowsec, Nullsec, it’s all very unsafe. The only things that made the space safe was the fact that we could pool our meager resources and provide each other with relative safety, and by doing so content when we were attacked in our PvE style activities. The guys who log in and pvp for an hour aren’t the majority of this game. The majority of this game is the guys who log in and sit in a mining belt for 12 hours or kill rats in space. Many of these people who do this activities have spend countless hours taking and holding their space. They have fielded trillions of isk worth of assets to take and then hold their space as well as the constant logistics chains to make it all work. They provide fuel for their structures and content for their pilots and the opportunity to make it all work. The ability to do the highest activities in eve IS NOT EASY. It has taken a massive effort put in by a conglomerate of individuals to make Alliances stand. And you are making light of all their hard work and the effort these people have put in to play this game. On top of that you are turning it over to the guys who log in with minimal investment and even less play time in some convoluted effort to get more subscripts ? You are killing PvE in a game where PvE is already incredibly risky. If you tip the balance of risk/reward to a point where no one was to put in the risk to do it you will kill Eve. If you kill PvE, you kill PvP. ---
**Author:** ![ArmyOfMe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armyofme/32/514222_2.png) [@ArmyOfMe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ArmyOfMe)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/549 "2019-08-14T19:31:04Z")
> [@Deaf\_Rosen](#): > > You are killing PvE in a game where PvE is already incredibly risky. ummm, not really ---
**Author:** ![Skycage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skycage/32/154403_2.png) [@Skycage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skycage)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/550 "2019-08-14T19:31:49Z")
It’s clear to me that alot of commenters in this thread dont know how a covert cyno works. This is huge quality of life improvement for the poor old cyno alt haha ---
**Author:** ![Allison\_Jovovich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allison_jovovich/32/186528_2.png) [@Allison\_Jovovich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allison_Jovovich)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/551 "2019-08-14T19:32:34Z")
dear ccp… i’m not paying to train my JF cyno chain pilots to be able to use covops. hence, i wont be using my JF. hence, like some others, no point in having that account subbed, which… ironically, just expired today. i like someone’s suggestion of a JF cyno, can be fit to newb ship, works like old cyno… but only JF can jump to. do this please. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Cassie\_Helio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cassie_helio/32/384502_2.png) [@Cassie\_Helio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cassie_Helio)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/552 "2019-08-14T19:33:15Z")
This comment on Reddit has a similar idea. New types of cynos. Combat and Industrial cynos. [https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ciboup/itt\_we\_give\_ccp\_wild\_ideas\_to\_fuel\_their\_midlife/ev58ase/?st=jzbnhnnk&sh=c6a0ca47](https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ciboup/itt_we_give_ccp_wild_ideas_to_fuel_their_midlife/ev58ase/?st=jzbnhnnk&sh=c6a0ca47) ---
**Author:** ![Allison\_Jovovich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allison_jovovich/32/186528_2.png) [@Allison\_Jovovich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allison_Jovovich)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/553 "2019-08-14T19:34:09Z")
thats okay except rorqs are combat ship. ---
**Author:** ![Cassie\_Helio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cassie_helio/32/384502_2.png) [@Cassie\_Helio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cassie_Helio)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/554 "2019-08-14T19:34:37Z")
Perhaps just JFs then ---
**Author:** ![Allison\_Jovovich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allison_jovovich/32/186528_2.png) [@Allison\_Jovovich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allison_Jovovich)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/555 "2019-08-14T19:35:32Z")
or better, dont let rorqs fit combat drones. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/556 "2019-08-14T19:36:46Z")
> [@Serena\_Hurbunker](#): > > Your guys salt is hilarious. Eve is supposed to be a hard game Null sec is supposed to be risky. Nothing is supposed to be safe. > First “my rorq/super are not going to be safe” BS have a permanent cyno beacon up you dont need to jump to the ship just the system. its going to add maybe 2 mins to responsive time my PANIC goes for 5. > Second supper and carrier ARE NOT GOOD RATTING SHIPS stop being greedy. its like saying lets take my aircraft carrier to go fishing. > Third this a huge help for JF. now we can fuel cyno jammed systems. And for long routs ya maybe its going to be a bit hard and your going to have to think about how to you cyno. Maybe will see deathstar pos come back for cynoing maybe deep safes. But just maybe you should think why you should have 24/7 access to jita living 40 jumps away maybe. maybe its time to have null sec industry support null sec and not jita. > > As some one who play way back I like it way better with less caps. I lived for years just fine way out in null with no HS support from JF routs. > > And maybe its hard for causal player to find and make groups but solo in null is not supposed to be feasible ya maybe you need an active in belt deference fleet get some friends group up. Any one things you should be able to long and rat/mine for as long as you want with no hassle in null has no idea what eve is about. Hear! HEAR ! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Osredkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_osredkar/32/248268_2.png) [@Max\_Osredkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Osredkar)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/557 "2019-08-14T19:37:17Z")
😃 they can BLOPS to a certain covert cyno bomber 😉 if you use gates with those ships around nullsec you’re bad 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Roffer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alan_roffer/32/136583_2.png) [@Alan\_Roffer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alan_Roffer)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/558 "2019-08-14T19:39:11Z")
This change is a net buff to JF’s. short cyno cycle time and they dont show up in overview system wide. NBow nobody knows when you open your cyno on an off grid structure. ---
**Author:** ![IS\_LAH\_RAVIN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/is_lah_ravin/32/263768_2.png) [@IS\_LAH\_RAVIN](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/IS_LAH_RAVIN)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/559 "2019-08-14T19:40:02Z")
CCP claims that the community is what makes EVE great. How is that when you continuously crap on 1/3 of that community. ---
**Author:** ![Allison\_Jovovich](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allison_jovovich/32/186528_2.png) [@Allison\_Jovovich](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allison_Jovovich)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/560 "2019-08-14T19:40:30Z")
thats fine, to have the option… but like said, i’m not paying to train a chain of cynos to use covops. i’ll just not JF, plenty of others in alliance will do it. i am/was fine with newb ship cyno on citadel or station. that works/worked for my needs. many others too, i’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/561 "2019-08-14T19:41:51Z")
![Shitabouttohitthefan](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/d/8d300cc5123692fc559f02e0d5ecbea07e0db4cc.jpeg) Was wondering what this was about 😃 Glad to see it was something great that would change the game for the best, o7 you guys are awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Tomus\_Maddox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tomus_maddox/32/383132_2.png) [@Tomus\_Maddox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tomus_Maddox)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/562 "2019-08-14T19:42:11Z")
Love it. Keep up the crazy changes. People are salty because it totally changes up how things have worked in Null Sec. Everybody will adapt. I’m all for more sub cap fights and less cap escalation. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/563 "2019-08-14T19:43:04Z")
> [@Deaf\_Rosen](#): > > You know I really want to reiterate how badly you are disregarding the largest parts of your player base who put the most time into this game. A solo pilot cannot go out and be safe pretty much anywhere. Highsec, lowsec, Nullsec, it’s all very unsafe. The only things that made the space safe was the fact that we could pool our meager resources and provide each other with relative safety, and by doing so content when we were attacked in our PvE style activities. The guys who log in and pvp for an hour aren’t the majority of this game. The majority of this game is the guys who log in and sit in a mining belt for 12 hours or kill rats in space. Many of these people who do this activities have spend countless hours taking and holding their space. They have fielded trillions of isk worth of assets to take and then hold their space as well as the constant logistics chains to make it all work. They provide fuel for their structures and content for their pilots and the opportunity to make it all work. The ability to do the highest activities in eve IS NOT EASY. It has taken a massive effort put in by a conglomerate of individuals to make Alliances stand. And you are making light of all their hard work and the effort these people have put in to play this game. On top of that you are turning it over to the guys who log in with minimal investment and even less play time in some convoluted effort to get more subscripts ? You are killing PvE in a game where PvE is already incredibly risky. If you tip the balance of risk/reward to a point where no one was to put in the risk to do it you will kill Eve. If you kill PvE, you kill PvP. Your efforts are applauded. But the problem is that all your hard work in creating Nullsec as a permanent renting settlement has made it ultimately very boring for those who even attempt at trying to make a dent in it. With this change, your endless waves of defense fleets will eventually wear themselves out, and you’ll have to conceive differently the way the Nullsec game would now work. Im sure you hard working folk will manage though, so keep the good spirits up despite all odds. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Xelios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xelios/32/192236_2.png) [@Xelios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xelios)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/564 "2019-08-14T19:43:43Z")
Gonna be interesting to see how null changes to deal with this. I think the “drop caps on everything” meta won’t go away so easily but at least something is finally changing. ---
**Author:** ![Scytale\_BeneTleilax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scytale_benetleilax/32/394196_2.png) [@Scytale\_BeneTleilax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scytale_BeneTleilax)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/565 "2019-08-14T19:43:58Z")
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