# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1176 "2019-08-15T08:05:30Z")
> [@Thematic\_Chaos\_Eto](#): > > A lot more costly… ffs use English man! ffs understand that this is an international game. English isn’t the first language for a lot of the community. ---
**Author:** ![Meiko\_Motsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meiko_motsu/32/222789_2.png) [@Meiko\_Motsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meiko_Motsu)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1177 "2019-08-15T08:07:07Z")
Regarding eve offline the statistics show that we are currently at around 2007 in player numbers (note: 2007 was without asians). Player numbers are decreasing since 2011, having a top spike in 2013 due to [Retribution 1.2 Update](https://www.eveonline.com/de/article/patch-notes-for-retribution-1.2). If I was CPP, I would try to number players up and thereby getting more subs/money. Taking the player’s basic mechanics of cynos won’t change anything in more player numbers. Maybe a rollback to 2010’s rules and mechanics could bring back the people, but not taking their means to get around and scream for help in eve’s universe. This step will pi\*\* the players off and will result in rage quit. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1178 "2019-08-15T08:10:57Z")
> [@Seas\_Dethahal](#): > > This is a massive swing and a miss from me. > > - Alliance Logistics just becomes even more of a pain. > - Rorqs which CCP pushed for us to train into massively become the biggest liability in the game > - Supers and Titans become fancy furniture as you cant use them due to bumping and then being way out of fax range > > Where is the good in this? You want to bring a cyno on the fleet with you just in case? Just pop the recons in the fleet. Now they cant cyno in backup. > > This just screams of throwing darts at a dartboard and going with whatever it says. JFs just got a buff. Do you have any idea how much easier moving JFs around just got. Covert cynos are a LOT faster and don’t show on overview unless you are on-grid with it. JFs just got easier to move than BLOPS BS…just a slight modicum of caution and preparation and there is no need to forti-super-highway. Moving anything not a JF…OOF…but we’ll see how that pans out. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1179 "2019-08-15T08:16:25Z")
> [@Canco\_Ukko](#): > > This game was unique only becuse the big battles, every person i spoke in my years of eve asking them why they came to this game was the big battles, every single person, and CCP is removing that. Well, it looks like that the Rooks and Kings pipe bomb from the ‘golden era’ would still work, which is why I started playing in the first place. What’s probably the biggest ‘loss’ for those decrying the change is that they can’t just sit on their asses waiting for the hard-to-catch hunter to light the cyno. Unless we’re talking about delve, for those folk this is %100 CCP saying ‘oh, about that umbrella you had?’. > [@Canco\_Ukko](#): > > The news/forums/chats/etc… now will be “50 man fleet killed 2 VNIs” xD Its already like that in some area’s and before the war declaration changes, in empire space too. > [@Canco\_Ukko](#): > > CCP just killed the capital content that was the only fun and unique of this game. When I started playing capitals couldn’t target sub caps. They giveth, they taketh away. > [@Canco\_Ukko](#): > > CCP its full of idiots right now starting from falcon and hilmar. CCP Rise was probably my least favourite CCP personality until the blackout for the total hate of drones that shat all over gallentee hulls. This change is probably one of the few with the CCP Rise sign off that doesn’t make me want to microwave my internet. > [@Sacrament\_Saint](#): > > Can we get a non T2 ship option? Procurer springs to mind, give it a 3rd high slot so its less obvious. > [@Immortal\_Slave](#): > > One of the MAIN issues in Eve is the gross proliferation of Capitals. They hotdrop EVERYTHING. Heck, I’ve seen a solo Tristan hotdropped by a Cap fleet. > > This is a huge step in stopping the madness. Revenant dropped on a procurer. > [@Katana\_Masen](#): > > Spool Up : 60 Seconds > Maximum Velocity Bonus Bonus : -100 % > Signature Radius Bonus : 250 % Hmm. How about maximum velocity : 0 m/s ? > [@Corydor\_Whitestar](#): > > Not to mention where are the limits on the covert cyno, your just going to turn this into a massive bomber fest which is hardly engaging small gang fights, they come in blow the target to hell and cloak until there blops can get them out. Why aren’t they being limited to smaller number of ships? One covert cyno bridging in 100 bombers is just as oppressive. It would be nice to see a mass limit like on a wormhole. Bring in a bag of small stuff, or a handful of medium sized things ( cruisers ) or 1 big thing, a Blops/JF. ---
**Author:** ![Olsza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olsza/32/442493_2.png) [@Olsza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olsza)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1180 "2019-08-15T08:20:52Z")
I am super glad you did - you will not be missed. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1181 "2019-08-15T08:21:25Z")
> [@Darwien\_Cesaille](#): > > It will definitely make nullsec logistic more problematic and it will definitely make JF pilots sink lots of ISK and $. Only going to be a problem for smaller groups without trillions of isk. Again Bloc groups get a free pass on a coming change CCP sponsored “Era of the Bloc” is off to a great start. I really have to wonder, is there anyone works for CCP that actually has a clue? I am really impressed with the measly 2 weeks notice they give JF pilots to train up cyno 5 on multiple alts. 43 days training and 2 weeks notice to get it done - Damn CCP you’re trying to gouge that last dollar. CCP - Oh its ok - Just buy skill points from us. First you screw my Indy, now you screw the only other means of income i had. Yeah i made it about me and screw all the “adapt or leave” crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Warp\_sun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/warp_sun/32/486396_2.png) [@Warp\_sun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Warp_sun)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1184 "2019-08-15T08:28:16Z")
bye then -6 rorquals on belts botting/farming ---
**Author:** ![Olsza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olsza/32/442493_2.png) [@Olsza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olsza)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1185 "2019-08-15T08:29:23Z")
You just brought tears to my eyes you poor, brave little fella. ---
**Author:** ![Olsza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olsza/32/442493_2.png) [@Olsza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olsza)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1186 "2019-08-15T08:30:33Z")
Think about the children !!! ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1187 "2019-08-15T08:37:59Z")
> [@Emmy\_Chelien](#): > > OK CCP. I’m gonna stop worrying like so many others. I’m gonna stop hurting my finger by spamming dscan. Or at least remove the use of macro keys from the EULA as a TOS violation. I already had to go to the Apple Store once this year to have my MacBook keys replaced after my h key and d key fell off. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1188 "2019-08-15T08:41:47Z")
> [@Larodil](#): > > Now, you’re making a change again that you THINK will have a significant impact on this same group of large alliances and instead it’s going to bolster them and hurt the smaller corps and individuals… WTF is wrong with you CCP??? You’re going to lose more paying members than you could imagine and just make those that you want to hurt stronger in the end… Ever play that game leaky pipes? I think what they’re trying to do is up the pressure and then bog up the leaks. Blackout happens…super umbrella’s become the meta…nerf the cyno. Wasn’t exactly a stroke of genius, some predicted it at the time of the blackout. The problem is the balancing act is tiresome, in that the scale was overloaded years ago and its only now CCP realise and they’re trying to fix it by adding more random weight, rather than taking some off. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1189 "2019-08-15T08:42:05Z")
> [@Olsza](#): > > You just brought tears to my eyes you poor, brave little fella. He isn’t far wrong but an ex Goon scrub probably wouldn’t see that. > [@Olsza](#): > > Think about the children !!! Get a clue, if you can’t post anything of value, don’t post. Posting just to see your name in print is just so old and there are far better than you doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1190 "2019-08-15T08:44:34Z")
> [@Dan\_Sever](#): > > thus far all their recent changes favor WH space greatly I pointed this out in the Blackout thread. CCP HIlmar did a big presentation on the PI interface changes. Why the changes? He actually started to play eve again and started living in a wormhole. Felt the interface was too clicky, lo and behold it got changed. Eve gameplay is becoming CCP Hilmar gameplay, slowly but surely. Maybe changing all the mining and ratting anomalies in 0.0 to be cosmic signatures will be next. ---
**Author:** ![Olsza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olsza/32/442493_2.png) [@Olsza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olsza)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1191 "2019-08-15T08:45:15Z")
You do not even play the game - just biomass and stop whining. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1192 "2019-08-15T08:45:36Z")
How exactly do you see these two changes having any affect on the Blocs, who individually have more isk and resources than the rest of Eve combined? This will only add to the applications from players and corps to join the few large Blocs… Good idea? Making it harder for small/er groups to survive isn’t what i’d call reasonable change. ---
**Author:** ![Imigo\_Montoya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imigo_montoya/32/439840_2.png) [@Imigo\_Montoya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1193 "2019-08-15T08:45:39Z")
Welcome to EVE. How many days ago did you sign up? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ugh\_zug](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugh_zug/32/173214_2.png) [@ugh\_zug](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ugh_zug)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1194 "2019-08-15T08:46:08Z")
Let’s piss in nullsecs cheerios while highsec remains the most profitable and safest space in the game. risk vs reward, whats that…? does it taste good? ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1195 "2019-08-15T08:47:56Z")
> [@Olsza](#): > > You do not even play the game - just biomass and stop whining. Nicely done, you just reinforced my final reply to you… I’ve been “playing” Eve for 15 years, I’ve seen more scrubs like you come and go than you’ve changed your underwear. My guess, I’ll still be here when you give up hiding in an NPC corp and uninstall ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1197 "2019-08-15T08:50:40Z")
You still here, not posting anything of value? Try to post something related to the thread - If you can (I doubt it) make it something you have experience in. Then and only then will your posts hold anything more than troll value.; ---
**Author:** ![Xelios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xelios/32/192236_2.png) [@Xelios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xelios)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1198 "2019-08-15T08:50:54Z")
Just curious, what changes would you make to discourage big blocs without affecting small groups? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=57) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=59)