# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1487 "2019-08-15T21:29:46Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > The openings for a quick boosh are _large_ . Also, you ignore that there’s other complementing changes that can be made, like changing requirements for jumping or penalties for it, etc. You are putting a _lot_ faith in the average dunce cycling through different clients on a mostly afk mode. First, not so large as you might think. Second, you can’t assume those changes would also be made along with ‘you can boosh capitals’. So you can’t assume the beneficial _effects_ of those changes. Third: capital move ops don’t tend to have that many people afk while multiboxing. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Then there’s no fixing Eve. The main problems lie in the stockpiled wealth, sp, materials and capital assets, all underpinned by the existence of skill injectors. There’s no fixing EVE while injectors exist, no. And you _can_ burn down the stockpiles, and the supers, but you need to find ways to make the people who have it feel like they’re getting something for what they’re losing, some kind of impressive and really cool experience. You can get away with _anything_ if you make taking the loss _fun_. But you have to put in the effort to find ways to make the loss something people feel is a worthwhile trade. Otherwise, you just lose customers. > [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > If the aspiring Rorqual pilot > [@Arrendis](#): > > injected his way into a Rorqual right away, upthread Right. So if the guy who spent real money to inject up **RIGHT AWAY** particpated in those SP giveaways **BEFORE HE WAS PLAYING** … When you need to appeal to the literally **impossible** to make your point… > [@Becham](#): > > Jump freighters will > [@Tiber\_Galient](#): > > if ya dont want to inpact hauling Ok, enough of this crap. **JUMP FREIGHTER HAULING JUST GOT ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE SAFER.** ## SAFER. AS IN MORE SAFE. Here, let me demonstrate how: You take your Rapier and make a safe, well-off-grid from any structures or celestials. Sit cloaked. When you’re ready, decloak, light. JF jumps in. Covops webs it off into warp as it goes streaking toward station/citadel from an unexpected direction where the odds of any bubble EVEN IN NULL are freaking zero, and it docks up happily. **Thirty whole seconds later** you recloak the Rapier. OH NOEZ! SUCH DANGEROUS! MANY RISK! ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1488 "2019-08-15T21:33:53Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You can get away with _anything_ if you make taking the loss _fun_ . Somehow you seem to have missed the last fifteen thousand posts or so on these boards. You can’t get away with sod all, because there’s only two things Eve players truly hate: Change, and what they have right now. There’s no ‘making it fun’ that isn’t going to cause exactly as much salt and apoplexy, so ripping the band-aid is probably the best approach in general. Hell, it’s not like anyone that’d ragequit over it is worth anything anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1489 "2019-08-15T21:34:23Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Somehow you seem to have missed the last fifteen thousand posts or so on these boards. Nope. Because the people being expected to lose things _aren’t being offered anything they consider fun_. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Hell, it’s not like anyone that’d ragequit over it is worth anything anyway. It’s just as valid to say ‘it’s not like anyone who’s quit over the game getting to this point is worth catering to, anyway’. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1490 "2019-08-15T21:38:43Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Because the people being expected to lose things _aren’t being offered anything they consider fun_ . They’ve lost nothing but instant and broken intel, and gained an exciting new normal where they might have to _play the game_. I have exactly zero sympathy for them, and these aren’t people you could appease anyway. > [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s just as valid to say ‘it’s not like anyone who’s quit over the game getting to this point is worth catering to, anyway’. So you say, but different opinions are not of equal worth, and I know who’s opinions I tend to value more. It’s rarely the whiny arse bears who are shocked and dismayed over not getting to opt out of all PvP by default. You may prefer to defer to the spodbrains, but that’ll have to be your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1491 "2019-08-15T21:40:39Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > So you say, but different opinions are not of equal worth, and I know who’s opinions I tend to value more. Well, if I’m a guy running a company, and I have the choice of valuing opinions from two people, one who’s currently a paying customer with a dozen accounts and one who isn’t a paying customer _at all_, I know which one I’m listening to. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1492 "2019-08-15T21:40:43Z")
again, CCP not interested in gameplay. its about more skill injectors being bought. and yet another change that will only be mastered by larger alliances with more resources to pour into higher trained cyno alts, ---
**Author:** ![DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamonddallas_paige/32/144209_2.png) [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DiamondDallas_Paige)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1493 "2019-08-15T21:45:48Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Then there’s no fixing Eve. The main problems lie in the stockpiled wealth, sp, materials and capital assets, all underpinned by the existence of skill inject Ah the cries of the Summer Child. Typical Millennial and Gen Zombie, no repect for what people have been building for 15 years, oh no it is NOT FAIR! Bottom line kid, we built this damn game. We kept the servers on while you sucked on your mom teat. WE are the reason EVE Online is here, not you bunch of participation trophy generations. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1494 "2019-08-15T21:48:38Z")
> [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](#): > > Ah the cries of the Summer Child. LRN2EVEWHO before you go accusing people of being newbies. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1495 "2019-08-15T21:50:00Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Well, if I’m a guy running a company, and I have the choice of valuing opinions from two people, one who’s currently a paying customer with a dozen accounts and one who isn’t a paying customer _at all_ , I know which one I’m listening to. Yeah, I mean this guy running the company has made such amazing choices in that regard over the years. If your vision for Eve is just keeping the spodbrains and alienating the rest, Eve is _truly_ screwed. > [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](#): > > Bottom line kid, we built this damn game. We kept the servers on while you sucked on your mom teat. WE are the reason EVE Online is here, not you bunch of participation trophy generations. You are _adorable_. Post more. Edit: I just got called “kid” by a '13char. I need a drink and I’m scheduled to be on duty for five weeks straight. Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1496 "2019-08-15T21:52:02Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > _Circumstantial Evidence: \> If the aspiring Rorqual pilot_ > > _Arrendis: \> injected his way into a Rorqual right away, upthread_ > > Right. So if the guy who spent real money to inject up **RIGHT AWAY** particpated in those SP giveaways **BEFORE HE WAS PLAYING** … > > When you need to appeal to the literally **impossible** to make your point… I didn’t read the post you wrote about, and generalized my response with the phrase “the aspiring …” I will admit failure in these specific cases of new players/alts, SP farmers win. But CCP has been on a tear of SP promotions lately, “raising all the boats.” The longer you play, the more likely it is that you will receive some SP you didn’t need to buy from another player. This has to statistically devalue SP, by some amount. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1497 "2019-08-15T21:53:36Z")
I forgot the silver lining… that’s 3 accounts with cyno alts that I no longer need. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1498 "2019-08-15T21:55:23Z")
> [@CleriKer\_Partridge](#): > > I am really looking forward to see this idea going live! I love these self entitled scrubs, who praise everything CCP does to allow them to kill 3 bil + ships with their 80 mil bombers or worse 30 mil T1 subcap cruisers. ---
**Author:** ![Sukram\_Aideron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sukram_aideron/32/382601_2.png) [@Sukram\_Aideron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sukram_Aideron)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1499 "2019-08-15T21:55:54Z")
so just to provide this “valuable feedback”… giving cyno mechanics a make over is definitely not the worst idea, and i have seen a lot of interesting ideas from the community about it in recent months. how this idea made it into an actual proposed change is beyond me though. please go back to the drawing board on this and maybe ask the CSM for input. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1500 "2019-08-15T22:03:23Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s just as valid to say ‘it’s not like anyone who’s quit over the game getting to this point is worth catering to, anyway’. It seems more like CCP is trying to tell us all - 15+ years of supporting their product is now worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1501 "2019-08-15T22:04:54Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > If your vision for Eve Not mine, but let’s face it, if you have the choice of catering to people who’ve kept paying, or catering to the people who’ve already demonstrated that when you do things they don’t like, they’ll quit and just keep bitching about a game they don’t play anymore… It takes a fair amount of balls to make the harder call there. And this ‘_CHAOOOOOS!!!_’ horsecrap doesn’t qualify as ‘ballsy’. This is just _flailing_. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Eve is _truly_ screwed. Probably! > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Edit: I just got called “kid” by a '13char. You did. It was funny. I laughed. > [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > But CCP has been on a tear of SP promotions lately, “raising all the boats.” Sure. But if they don’t keep that up, that’s a 100% temporary thing that doesn’t have a long-term impact. And if they _do_ keep it up, congratulations, they’re hurting _their own bottom line_. Which do you think they’ll do? ---
**Author:** ![Tiber\_Galient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiber_galient/32/154838_2.png) [@Tiber\_Galient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiber_Galient)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1502 "2019-08-15T22:07:51Z")
no, ya jump it to a station and dock, refit to ur highsec align fit, undock, align to gate, when at speed hit warp, wile speeding up just have ur key ready to hit dock on the station incase somethings drops you. And that is only in low, in null ya use a citadel, ya know, those with tethering, jump wait 5s then dock. WHY would u ever jump a JF to a deepsafe ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Rae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_rae/32/154947_2.png) [@Sasha\_Rae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Rae)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1503 "2019-08-15T22:09:53Z")
My personal prediction: In 12 days to the end of my membership. Thanks CCP for making the decision NOT to resub easier. Time to play other games. Stupid era of eve. WORST investment in a game and my time. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1504 "2019-08-15T22:11:03Z")
> [@Tiber\_Galient](#): > > no, ya jump it to a station and dock, refit to ur highsec align fit, undock, align to gate, when at speed hit warp, wile speeding up just have ur key ready to hit dock on the station incase somethings drops you. No, because doing _that_ is what gets your covert cyno killed. > [@Tiber\_Galient](#): > > WHY would u ever jump a JF to a deepsafe Because once it’s a covert cyno, it doesn’t show on the overview unless you’re where people will see you. Nobody will know you’re there until you come out of warp to dock. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1505 "2019-08-15T22:11:11Z")
> [@Sasha\_Rae](#): > > My personal prediction: In 12 days to the end of my membership. Thanks CCP for making the decision NOT to resub easier. Time to play other games. Stupid era of eve. I know they suck so much, I totally feel your pain. Can I has your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Becham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/becham/32/327010_2.png) [@Becham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Becham)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1506 "2019-08-15T22:11:27Z")
Wait, so this thing you described is not a thing now, this is a new feature that comes with this, or is this something that JF can do now and just choose not to? I’m having a hard time following the Pants on Head Era of Eve right now, sorry. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=71) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=73)