# Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 14, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197 "2019-08-14T16:46:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Hamar\_Halltyr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hamar_halltyr/32/109891_2.png) [@Hamar\_Halltyr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hamar_Halltyr)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1976 "2019-08-20T06:18:33Z")
I dont care about this change anymore. I have 10 + accounts I’ve already stopped paying for. I will keep 3-4 on omega with plex to play a bit with my friends, but thats it. I will not longer invest so much time in this game there are so many other games i can play right now that make more fun to than EVE. Think about it i didnt play eve because of its super grafics or its supreme play style or the point that the one with the better spreadsheet wins and that n+1 in 95% of the time works the only point to play EVE was the sandbox playing style. That actions I do in game had an impact and that the most content is done by the players but right now CCP Hilmar and CCP Falcon show us what this Sandbox really is. It is their playtool like a little playground bully they rage around and just change things nobody wants changed “_Sry i forgot the elite small gang pvpler_” and then claim that would be good for the game because they can’t think any further than they can see. I think if they let several more such actions off the pile they will find out quite fast what their player base makes of it ---
**Author:** ![Savant\_Alabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/savant_alabel/32/369249_2.png) [@Savant\_Alabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Savant_Alabel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1977 "2019-08-20T06:44:09Z")
Yeah! ---
**Author:** ![Zappity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zappity/32/502632_2.png) [@Zappity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zappity)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1978 "2019-08-20T08:36:27Z")
T3C won’t be able to use cyno ---
**Author:** ![Milto\_Farroads](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milto_farroads/32/145201_2.png) [@Milto\_Farroads](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milto_Farroads)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1979 "2019-08-20T09:30:08Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > When he uncloaks and you probe/dscan him, until then he can’t do anything while cloaked, not even see local anymore, so it doesn’t matter. If he uses probes, you can see those. unless he stays uncloaked and you can see him in dscan you cant probe him (except of course if you blindly probe 24/7). On the ther hand he can do a lot, like fly around anomalies, dscan and spy cloacked. He evan can uncloak in deep safes and not be detected where he can covert cyno in whole fleets of cloackies undetected by anyone. Pretty overpowered IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1980 "2019-08-20T10:53:13Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > We’ll gladly take your space and all its riches, thanks. There is already a lot of free space in 0.0-sec. But for some reason people like you don’t go there. They find new reason every time they are asked why. Let me guess: people you named “we” will always roam from WH or live in HS. No matter how 0.0-sec will be “changed”. ---
**Author:** ![Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eadwulf_ronuken/32/378790_2.png) [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eadwulf_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1981 "2019-08-20T11:32:49Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > If a dozen people on the team can’t agree, neither will the customers. Some ideas are bad and a split team is a warning sign. This is true for products serving mature markets. If you’re doing new product development for an emerging market (you know, doing “disruptive” stuff) then there is no consensus yet; you need product visionaries. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1982 "2019-08-20T11:33:19Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > Let me guess: people you named “we” will always roam from WH or live in HS. No matter how 0.0-sec will be “changed”. Magic wands suck, spending a week per-citadel minimum to clear thousands of structures is cancer and null just isn’t that much fun. I can make better money elsewhere, so why dead with the hassle? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1983 "2019-08-20T12:14:19Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > That mechanic already exists - If your not blue you can’t use a Jump bridge, you can’t dock in a citadel, - It probably wouldn’t be hard to extend this to Cynos on Supers and Caps, would it? Bridges and citadel docking rely on access control lists, not standings. Standings-as-permission-token isn’t really the model anymore. After leaving my old coalition, I can still dock in a _lot_ of places I shouldn’t be able to because some organizations are just horrible at ACL management. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1984 "2019-08-20T12:17:20Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > > > Siege/Triage-like penalties for subbcaps seems a bit extreme, > > And would be, yes. That’s why I was thinking the siege/triage penalty would be for a Capital Cyno (with capital module fitting needs). Holy frak, I need to work on my post-fu. That was supposed to say something more like, “would be a bit extreme for subcaps but would be great for a capital-class module.” Man, I need to stop posting while sober. I do it much better with a little whisky in me. 🥃 ---
**Author:** ![Lesuss\_Massani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesuss_massani/32/311030_2.png) [@Lesuss\_Massani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesuss_Massani)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1985 "2019-08-20T12:35:57Z")
So good job, another change in favor of big null blocks who have the man power and isk to be un effected 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1986 "2019-08-20T12:55:14Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yeah, that would get pretty difficult to do well. After all… get your cyno in position… **blue the target** … and light. Not sure what you’re getting at here. But if the guy (enemy target) you’re trying to set blue (and invite to your fleet) already has his cyno up your too late to block it anyway. I’m talking about limiting the ability of the Blocs to just push 100+ Supers through a single cyno. Limit the mass on a cyno and disallow more than one (blue cyno) at a time in a system - It reduces the amount of supers that can drop on an attacking fleet at any given time to X amount of mass. It really wouldn’t be hard to code, Worm Holes have mass limits and work in a similar way to a Cyno. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1987 "2019-08-20T13:01:16Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Limit the mass on a cyno and disallow more than one (blue cyno) at a time in a system - It reduces the amount of supers that can drop on an attacking fleet at any given time to X amount of mass. So the new meta is using spies to light denial-cynos, now. That will be amazing gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1988 "2019-08-20T13:05:01Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Limit the mass on a cyno and disallow more than one (blue cyno) at a time in a system Right. So you limit to one ‘blue cyno’ at a time, then what? You blue up your target right before you light, so they can’t light one at all. Meanwhile, defenders set up a specific ‘defense alliance’ that’s on ACLs but _not_ blue, just for cyno ships, and uses direct ‘invite your alt into fleet’ to get the cynos into the defense fleet. Too easy to get around and/or screw with. Edit: oh, and look at that, the big fights don’t happen anymore, because you can’t bring more than one fleet of subcaps in at a time—or bridge them home at the same time, either. So everything takes 10-20m longer. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1989 "2019-08-20T13:05:08Z")
Personally i find that a far better idea than groups with umbrellas being invulnerable ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1990 "2019-08-20T13:19:19Z")
Yes, but you’re embittered. To people who still actually enjoy the game for the most part, it’s clearly an untenable idea. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1991 "2019-08-20T13:19:45Z")
If he is silly enough to accept a fleet invite then sure that works. Defense alliances as such is something CCP would need to FIX and had they listened to players when they allowed corps and alliances to grow out of control - The game would be far better today than it is. Honestly if Goons hate the game so much they would go to so much trouble to subvert things put in place to make the game more fun for everyone - Maybe the “just delete Bloc groups” crowd is on to something.,. I admire Goons for their ability to manipulate and screw with game mechanics so well but isn’t it time to let go the reins a little and allow the game to prosper for everyone - Before PA decides CCP has no clue (which sadly seems to hold true) and we end up with a micro-transaction based theme park.,. I’m not saying - Go lose everything, I’m saying give CCP a chance to save the game we love. Not with these knee jerk half assed changes but by playing the game everyone else does. CCP need to stop with the rubbish changes and fix real issues - Structures need rebalancing, Sov needs an overhaul (has since Fozziesov was first released), Mining (not just rorquals) needs balancing. Plus all the other things i can’t think of right now. Get Goons to push for REAL change CCP will listen ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1992 "2019-08-20T13:46:09Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > If he is silly enough to accept a fleet invite then sure that works. That’d be _purple_. Blue is just standings. And it’s not a question of ‘do we hate the game so much we’d subvert things’. You use the systems CCP gives you. Even if we don’t do it, someone else _will_… and then we’re hamstringing ourselves in a competitive environment. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Get Goons to push for REAL change CCP will listen No, they won’t. They haven’t so far, after all, and we’ve been pushing for real changes and systemic fixes for years. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1993 "2019-08-20T14:10:21Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You use the systems CCP gives you. Even if we don’t do it, someone else _will_ … This has never been a good reason to do anything. If I don’t steal all your ■■■■, someone else will, so I better do it? Someone else will do X, so I must do X _first_. There is only ever one person responsible for anything we do, and that is ourselves, and no matter what _anyone else does_, we _remain_ responsible for our actions and any outcomes thereof. If what we do is wrong… it remains wrong, no matter what else surrounds it. Whoever else might do it too, or first, or instead of you, whatever. Do whatever you want in Eve, it’s kind of what the game is about, but stop pretending you’re in any way justified beyond “We want to do this”. We can do whatever we want, but that just means we stand responsible for what we do to a vastly greater degree, because we very easily could have chosen _not_ to do them. It wouldn’t even cost us anything of real worth either. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1994 "2019-08-20T14:21:15Z")
> [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](#): > > This is true for products serving mature markets. If you’re doing new product development for an emerging market (you know, doing “disruptive” stuff) then there is no consensus yet; you need **product visionaries.** In my 30 years of experience, we call those Design Bullies. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197/1995 "2019-08-20T15:35:23Z")
So again CCP listened and my first proposal for Cynos has been heard and now it’s coming. Now for the future, whenever I make proposals to better the game, please listen sooner and thanks for listening. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=95) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/chaos-era-continues-cyno-update/182197.md?page=97)