# Citadel Asset Safety and Player Retention **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 16, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816 "2024-02-16T16:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/43 "2024-07-24T22:31:53Z")
I no longer play the game, I’m simply trying to empart that people have opinions, and just because they might not match the exact current state of the game doesn’t make them invalid. I don’t really know where you’re going with the phone thing, I have done that too? ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/44 "2024-07-24T22:37:20Z")
So you no longer play the game, but lurk in the forums to complain about it? Cry for attention much? ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/45 "2024-07-24T22:39:32Z")
Maybe I’m aware the game has strong appeal and is in a lot of ways a good game, just because I have decided to leave doesn’t mean I think it’s completely reprehensible. I have well over 15 years experience in the game, and I loved it for a long time. The last few years while extremely negative don’t represent the majority of my time in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/46 "2024-07-24T22:43:39Z")
Right, I’ve been playing for 19 years and have quit EvE multiple times in that duration. Not one of those times did I stick around in the forums and continue to seek attention. Without some warped need for attention, not one person I’ve met in my life has done this. At the most they have their rant thread that they’re leaving and why, and maybe a couple defense posts before they’re gone. You’ve apparently been doing this since March. 🤔 I doubt anyone else find this behavior rational, but they’re free to chime in. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/47 "2024-07-24T22:46:23Z")
I’ve been in the forums much longer than that. Looking at the thread title again, I didn’t leave because of this, I quickly figured out to never store anything in a player structure (that I wasn’t completely prepared to lose). Player retention is facing other issues though in my opinion, my case being one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/48 "2024-07-24T23:00:29Z")
Which is irrelevant to the point I’m making. You posted a thread about your bad experience in March, asking for Vanguard to be extended to Alphas. You say this bad experience is your cause to stop paying for/playing (you’ve said both) EvE, so therefore this event happened before that date. That means you’ve spent **at least four months** just lurking here for attention. Why should we listen to you when your entire purpose for being here is glaringly disingenuous now? Are your replies genuine or are they framed to generate the attention you seem so desperate for? ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/49 "2024-07-24T23:07:23Z")
Oh yeah I remmeber that, I was looking for a potential life line, as I just said, I see EVE for the good thing’s it offers. I was disappointed to find I couldn’t even try a new product from them just to see if I might be able to rekindle the relationship. My bad experience was probably 3-4 years ago. I played some of the time after that simply because of how much isk I had. “For attention” assumption built in is intended to illicit an emotional response. Why? I’m not here for an emotional relationship with you, why are you trying to create one? ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/50 "2024-07-24T23:13:46Z")
Again, not doing yourself any favors. Who waits 3+ years to finally let a bad customer service experience get to them? I didn’t continue using Amazon for 3 years after my bad customer service. I waited til my shipment arrived and cancelled it immediately. I spent 20 years in retail. Want to guess how many people that weren’t completely unhinged I had stay at my store after declaring they weren’t doing business there anymore? The number is less than one. Whatever, dude. You tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night. What little credibility you had is gone. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/51 "2024-07-24T23:21:57Z")
Well to talk in terms you might understand, I had decades worth of coupons for the retail store. I didn’t mind still receiving their services for several years because it didn’t cost me anything. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/52 "2024-07-24T23:23:38Z")
Whatever helps you sleep at night, pal. 🙄 🚶‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/53 "2024-07-24T23:27:54Z")
I don’t understand your position, can you explain it in detail? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/57 "2024-07-25T04:57:56Z")
removed 3 posts for the following: ### **1.** **Specifically restricted conduct.** The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. **Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others.** In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: - Trolling - Flaming - Ranting - **Personal Attacks** - Harassment - Doxxing - Racism & Discrimination - Hate Speech - Sexism - Spamming - Bumping - **Off-Topic Posting** - Pyramid Quoting - Rumor Mongering - New Player Bashing - Impersonation - Advertising ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/58 "2024-07-26T02:06:05Z")
> [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > I had a bad customer experience with CCP many years ago. So did I, but I was one of the few who stayed. > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > That doesn’t mean you will immediately cut off all contact with them. I pay for content. When don’t deliver, I cut my 3 yearly subs. Not contact with the game. ---
**Author:** ![roxxkatt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxxkatt/32/411282_2.png) [@roxxkatt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/roxxkatt)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/59 "2024-09-17T19:49:45Z")
oof it got pretty spicy in here ---
**Author:** ![roxxkatt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxxkatt/32/411282_2.png) [@roxxkatt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/roxxkatt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/60 "2024-12-04T19:43:02Z")
man i made this thread almost an entire year ago any changes to the game this year? ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/61 "2024-12-08T19:51:08Z")
Well that’s kind of why I’m still here, I live in hope that I see something that indicates the game is moving in a development direction I agree with. The bad customer experience was only one part of my reason to leave, the other part was the increasing insistance that I should be burning more and more of my time to do the same things in the game. I’m not ok with that. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Moccasin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_moccasin/32/411230_2.png) [@Black\_Moccasin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Moccasin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/62 "2024-12-17T04:44:24Z")
we should allow asset safety in WH ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/63 "2024-12-18T21:39:50Z")
Naah, we should remove asset safety everywhere else. There’s no need for magical item teleportation in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/64 "2024-12-18T22:06:30Z")
That’s what so many of us have been saying since they proposed it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816/65 "2024-12-18T22:30:53Z")
> [@Black\_Moccasin](#): > > we should allow asset safety in WH lol, from what I heard the WH people basically had to _beg_ CCP to disable Asset Safety in WHs, because they are people who are actually understanding what it does to the game. Asset Safety needs to be removed or at least nerfed _a lot_ in the whole game. It’s an incredibly bad mechanic, along with most other citadel-related mechanics… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadel-asset-safety-and-player-retention/439816.md?page=4)