# Citadels are 7 years old now. POSes still exist. Are there still plans for something better for nomads? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [November 3, 2023, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153 "2023-11-03T04:06:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Doosh\_Bagge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doosh_bagge/32/392766_2.png) [@Doosh\_Bagge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doosh_Bagge)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/1 "2023-11-03T04:06:14Z")
Has there been any further talk of smaller camping-style outposts for solo players and small groups? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/2 "2023-11-03T07:15:44Z")
How could they help you? This type of thing? Curious ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/3 "2023-11-03T16:11:30Z")
What do you need besides a POS? It’s better anyway for solo/small groups. They are cheaper, tougher, defend themselves when you are offline, are way better force multipliers, can be set up within an hour… ---
**Author:** ![tiberiusric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiusric/32/373479_2.png) [@tiberiusric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tiberiusric)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/4 "2023-11-03T16:28:37Z")
you have citaldes that are stupid cheap, and you have small poses… what more do you want? ---
**Author:** ![Zedva\_Operati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zedva_operati/32/388608_2.png) [@Zedva\_Operati](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zedva_Operati)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/5 "2023-11-03T19:05:59Z")
> [@Doosh\_Bagge](#): > > camping-style mobile depots exist, though they can only store stuff and let you refit in space, or you could find freeports and live out of those, or npc stations ---
**Author:** ![Doosh\_Bagge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doosh_bagge/32/392766_2.png) [@Doosh\_Bagge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doosh_Bagge)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/6 "2023-11-05T03:04:16Z")
Well, at one point there was talk of removing POSes entirely. The code around them is apparently nightmarish, and the gameplay experience is less than ideal. I’m not the one who came up with this, CCP has talked about it many times over the years, I was just wondering if there had been any news out of them about it, since I’ve been OOG for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/7 "2023-11-05T04:01:01Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/8 "2023-11-05T04:33:35Z")
> [@Doosh\_Bagge](#): > > Well, at one point there was talk of removing POSes entirely. As far as I am aware they tried and it crashed the whole market somehow. 🙂 I really hope they leave POS in the game as kinda FOB and basic industry facility (without boni tho…) for smaller corps who simply can’t defend Citadels under the current game mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Zedva\_Operati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zedva_operati/32/388608_2.png) [@Zedva\_Operati](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zedva_Operati)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/9 "2023-11-21T17:43:28Z")
> [@Doosh\_Bagge](#): > > The code around them is apparently nightmarish Isn’t that how it is with most of the stuff in the game? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/citadels-are-7-years-old-now-poses-still-exist-are-there-still-plans-for-something-better-for-nomads/426153/10 "2024-02-19T17:44:15Z")
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