# Cloaky campers: Game breaking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Issues\ **Created:** [October 20, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748 "2017-10-20T01:57:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jevinie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevinie/32/31702_2.png) [@Jevinie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevinie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/1 "2017-10-20T01:57:49Z")
Anyone who lives in Nullsec, and mines in Nullsec, Knows that a Neut, even a single one, can shut down mining ops in an entire neighborhood. If they are lucky and clever, they can do it for a bit… Or… They can cloak and sit somewhere… forever… and there is Zero- NON, ZIP, NONE EXISTANT, a way to counter them. They can camp forever and you have o way of knowing if they will drop on you. and there IS NO COUNTER. NONE, ZIP, NON EXISTENT. It’s game breaking, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/2 "2017-10-20T02:04:34Z")
> **[Main AFK cloaky thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/70)** > > Oh look. New Forums, same couple of trolls shouting down the problem with the same old debunked arguments, false equivalence and logical fallacies. It’s all pointless. The Devs have decreed that anyone not wanting to participate in predatory PvP... Go there or otherwise be quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Jevinie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevinie/32/31702_2.png) [@Jevinie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevinie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/3 "2017-10-20T02:05:35Z")
You hoof wanking bunglecunt. Tell me to be quiet again. ---
**Author:** ![Jen\_Outamon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jen_outamon/32/188841_2.png) [@Jen\_Outamon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jen_Outamon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/4 "2017-10-20T02:05:44Z")
I wonder if a cloaked blue ready to jump in on some miner bait would be a good counter? Just consider yourself lucky you live in Null and have the luxury of “local” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/5 "2017-10-20T02:06:18Z")
> [@Jevinie](#): > > Anyone who lives in Nullsec, and mines in Nullsec, Knows that a Neut, even a single one, can shut down mining ops in an entire neighborhood. If they are lucky and clever, they can do it for a bit… Or… They can cloak and sit somewhere… forever… and there is Zero- NON, ZIP, NONE EXISTANT, a way to counter them. They can camp forever and you have o way of knowing if they will drop on you. and there IS NO COUNTER. NONE, ZIP, NON EXISTENT. > > It’s game breaking, honestly. But do you realise that a cloak doesn’t shut down a mining op. The fear of being dropped on shuts down a mining op. A cloaked ship never kills anyone. Cloaked ships can’t light cynos. Uncloaked ships, however, have counters. ---
**Author:** ![Jevinie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevinie/32/31702_2.png) [@Jevinie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevinie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/6 "2017-10-20T02:08:56Z")
You shouldn’t be able to do anything in EVE AFK and be safe, untouchable even, forever. Null sec is suppose to be dangerous at all times, that’s the point, but being able to AFK and be forever cloaked, is pretty much breaking the point of null. ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/7 "2017-10-20T02:09:51Z")
> [@Jevinie](#): > > You shouldn’t be able to do anything in EVE AFK and be safe, untouchable even, forever. Null sec is suppose to be dangerous at all times, that’s the point, but being able to AFK and be forever cloaked, is pretty much breaking the point of null. Back to highsec you go! Nobody forces you to be in null. ---
**Author:** ![Jevinie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jevinie/32/31702_2.png) [@Jevinie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jevinie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/8 "2017-10-20T02:45:08Z")
You know what’s worse than being a Condescending prick? Being an ignorant condescending prick. Congratulations on earring that distinction guy. Maybe improve your reading comprehension abit, ya? ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/9 "2017-10-20T03:15:48Z")
> [@Jevinie](#): > > You shouldn’t be able to do anything in EVE AFK […] Well we agree on that. By definition, you aren’t doing anything _while AFK_. > [@Jevinie](#): > > Null sec is suppose to be dangerous at all times, that’s the point […] You are safe from cloaked ships. So I guess what you’re saying is that cloaked ships should be able to target, tackle, and shoot while cloaked. After all, nullsec is supposed to be dangerous at all times. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/10 "2017-10-20T03:46:08Z")
cloaky campers never hurt anyone, AFK campers have hurt even fewer. its only when they are active and decloaked that you need to worry. until then, the only thing stopping you is your own fear. fit even a suggestion of a tank, and have backup nearby. if your alliance mates aren’t willing to come kill things with you, then maybe reconsider who you fly with. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/11 "2017-10-20T06:21:42Z")
Closed on October 20, 2017, 6:21am UTC ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-campers-game-breaking/32748/12 "2017-10-20T06:21:54Z")
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