# Cloaky Camping - From a Wormholer's Perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** null-sec, pvp, wormhole\ **Created:** [January 5, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717 "2021-01-05T16:30:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/41 "2021-01-06T22:44:35Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Do it. I dare you tell him to stay off my nuts so the thread can pan out. I dare you to lay blame where its due. HEY! @Scipio_Artelius! STAY OFF HIS NUTS SO THE THREAD CAN PAN OUT! I blame you for this derailment of what was such an informative and relevant … Lost my train of thought there. My bad ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/42 "2021-01-06T22:46:19Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It was just a reference to your post a few days ago berating an OP for opening a new cloaky thread in General Discussion. Ok, now I get it. You did not understand the tongue-in-cheek of that post. All I did was warn him in advance that someone was going to berate him, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/43 "2021-01-06T22:47:43Z")
> [@Skriven\_Penshar](#): > > I blame you for this derailment 🙂 Yes, although in relation to the OP, whatever change CCP end up making (and I expect it will be some version of what they previously had on the roadmap as observatory arrays), I hope it only applies to sov space, so that the changes are targeted at the only area of space that has an issue (maybe also to NPC null, but in general, ratting in NPC null isn’t as lucrative as sov null, so the issue of cloaky camping isn’t an issue their either, because there aren’t as many ratters there). No need for wormhole play to be impacted by changes for nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/44 "2021-01-06T22:48:01Z")
You guys speak for eachother so much its like you really are one troll sometimes. Wasn’t talking to you. Didn’t involve you. Have a seat. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/45 "2021-01-06T22:53:59Z")
This is about the 3rd time you’ve accused me of being an alt for someone in these forums. As I’ve said before, I am my own person. I don’t do alts. It’s too cheesy. Almost lazy & cowardly. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Didn’t involve you. Have a seat Having a conversation on a PUBLIC forum involves **“Everyone”** And I was already sitting, thank you. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No need for wormhole play to be impacted by changes for nullsec. Exactly! ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/46 "2021-01-06T23:09:30Z")
> [@Skriven\_Penshar](#): > > This is about the 3rd time you’ve accused me of being an alt for someone in these forums. Tell me if you can spot the difference between: 1. You ARE most certainly posting under multiple accounts 2. its like you really are one troll sometimes. Take as much time as you need. > [@Skriven\_Penshar](#): > > Having a conversation on a PUBLIC forum involves **“Everyone”** You took up a dare directed a specific other person and spoke as if you were that person. What grade are you in? ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/47 "2021-01-06T23:15:37Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Take as much time as you need. I’ll need 3 days > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > What grade are you in? None. I’m no longer in school. What grade are you in? ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/48 "2021-01-06T23:19:59Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You took up a dare directed a specific other person and spoke as if you were that person. What grade are you in? lol - Yeah, when I was a child I remember how a dare was considered a meaningful motivator. Ridley, are you intentionally being so ironic? (you know…trolling.) Yeah…you must be… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/49 "2021-01-06T23:20:35Z")
People, we need to get back on topic here. Cloaky camping is very bad, and the way we need to address it is by implementing a PvP flag into the game so that it’s no longer a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/50 "2021-01-07T00:07:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > implementing a PvP flag into the game so that it’s no longer a problem. Can we choose what color the flag will be, and can we choose where to fly it on our ship? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/51 "2021-01-07T00:43:28Z")
Reported for trolling. ---
**Author:** ![JouNin\_A](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jounin_a/32/247901_2.png) [@JouNin\_A](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JouNin_A)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/52 "2021-02-05T02:25:33Z")
How many hours or days can you wait to fish a cloaked ship? That person is just logging in and cloaking. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/53 "2021-02-05T09:05:15Z")
The irony of the fact the AFKer has literally done nothing to you in those days is not lost on many. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/54 "2021-02-05T10:45:54Z")
The solution that doesn’t hurt WH space is to draw **cyno fuel** while cloaked. (And if you run out of cyno fuel you can still cloak as normal!) After a couple hours of afk cloaking, the campers cannot cyno in an entire fleet, so the main issue of afk cloaky camping is solved - people should be able to handle a solo cloaky ship, it’s just the unexpectedness of a fleet of any size coming out of the afk cloaker that is the main issue. Cynos aren’t used in WH space, so no impact there! The only legitimate strategy that is impacted by this is blops hunting, the drain rate should be low enough to allow them to actively hunt for a while without restocking fuel. ---
**Author:** ![Loptr\_Uta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loptr_uta/32/447459_2.png) [@Loptr\_Uta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loptr_Uta)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/55 "2021-02-05T11:14:33Z")
Hi, how about this: Give Cloak an cycle time, maybe 60 minutes, give it an extra button like restart, or whatever and everytime the button is clicked, restart the one hour cycle again. No fuel needed, no decloak while you are active playing. just my 2 cent. cu loptr ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/56 "2021-02-05T18:26:37Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The solution that doesn’t hurt WH space is to draw **cyno fuel** while cloaked. (And if you run out of cyno fuel you can still cloak as normal!) A reasonable solution which only effects the **only** “problem” with cloaky camping. And it’s only a problem for those unable to deal with the problem. > [@Loptr\_Uta](#): > > how about this: Easily scriptable and also can have a negative effect on legitimate cloak usage. The only instance where AFK cloaky camping is remotely an issue is in sov-null where ratters/farmers will not undock because there is a neutral in system and is cloaked. This cloaky camper (Also known as Schrodinger’s camper, because you don’t know if they are AFK or not unless you undock) then keeps the ratter/farmer from ratting/farming in “their” system. (Of course no one ever explains how it can be “their” system if they cannot even use “their” system because of a pilot who may or may not be there) Is AFK play in Eve bad? Yes and No **Yes - AFK/botting mining/ratting is bad** - Resources are taken out of the game by someone not really playing the game - These resources could have been gathered by a “live” player, but are now gone - These resources are then injected into the economy having a potentially negative effect on the playerbase as a whole **NO - AFK cloaky camping is not bad** - Unlike AFK mining/ratting/botting, cloaky camping is not seen as an exploit by CCP (1) - No resources are being gathered by the AFK cloaky camper (Salt/tears not included) - The Eve economy as a whole is not being adversally affected, only the corporation/player being camped. Being able to defend your spot in null is your responsibility not CCPs. - Contrary to popular myth/lore/whining/belief there are counterplays to the cloaky camper (1) [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits) ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/57 "2021-02-06T00:12:15Z")
Holy mother f\*\*k…a tower with a pulse you say??? I bet nobody ever has thought of this idea!!! Oh wait, it has been suggested so many times before it isn’t even funny. Have you actually tried searching for existing threads on this? No?!?! What a freaking shock. Can you take this ■■■■ post to the right forum and existing thread? ---
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/58 "2021-02-06T00:17:57Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Can you take this ■■■■ post to the right forum and existing thread? Can somebody move this please? I’m surprised it’s made it this long. ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2021, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/59 "2021-02-06T06:48:55Z")
I’d just create a new set of combat probes that can detect cloaked ships. If a cloaked pilot is paying attention, they can still dodge pursuers by being evasive. At least you’ll need to make SOME effort to avoid getting caught, and the enemy now has a ghost of a chance of finding you. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2021, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-from-a-wormholers-perspective/288717/60 "2021-02-07T08:12:19Z")
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