# Cloaky Camping on Multiple Accounts **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** null-sec\ **Created:** [January 11, 2025, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745 "2025-01-11T03:12:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/42 "2025-01-11T20:57:21Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You will often be able to immediately warp to them. Yeah but if the ship is moving, even AFK, then you can’t land on it unless you bm several times. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You do one pass with combat probes and you’re on top of the cloaked ship, decloaking them. Cloaks would cease to be useful in that case, which disables a lot of cloaked combat like bomber squads. Yeah, I don’t think that would be bad. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If cloaks didn’t defend those capital ships against hostile probes, there’s no way to travel through space where you don’t have structures already. I don’t see that as a problem ^^ Caps should not safely jump through hostile environment. Also, they cap inject in the warp after jumping. But yeah, those are point that need to be taken into account (Just because I don’t really care, does not mean others don’t). ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/43 "2025-01-11T21:20:02Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > “It shouldn’t possible for a smaller and cheaper ship to kill my bigger and more expensive one”. Same energy. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Fun fact, the max red jump timer of capital ships of 30 minutes is problematically long compared to the 15 minute cloak hardening time. Because of that, people could easily catch a moving capital ships by dropping multiple mobile observatories. After all, 60 million ISK may be expensive, but is suddenly very cheap when you can drop a bunch of them to catch a multi-billion supercapital ship. > > Luckily CCP also added a booster to increase the cloak hardening time specifically for this purpose: the **Strong Veilguard Booster**. > > When people ask for the ‘removal of cloak hardening’ they forget details like that. No, we don’t forget that. When did you see anything larger then a Corvette acting outside of a fleet? Naval Strategists, especially with the beyond-visual-range combat becoming the norm in the last century, have been well aware that the larger a ship gets, the easier it will be to stage an attack against it, therefore large ships are increasingly undesired and where large vessels are required nevertheless (e.g. to give landing aircraft enough room to decelerate on aircraft carriers) , considerable resources are allocated into the protection of the large vessel. Your attempt to move a carrier by sneaking around with it in an area full of hostiles is in no way reflective to the way a carrier is designed to be moved. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/44 "2025-01-11T22:16:36Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > iron maiden in the actIV was death of barbs 😢 > Or are you talking about the bowazon seeking arrows that were invisible if spawned from more than 2 screens ? Exactly stuff like that. It was _only_ annoying, offered no benefit, frustrated masses of players and _still_ people argued in the balancing discussions “no no, thats _needed_, I have a _niche_ there with my magic-damage-only-barb specialbuild!!!111” or “just skip it!” or “just _get better!_” - exactly like here. And then the Devs finally fixed it because people actually complained season after season after season until they realized it is _simply bad_ - and was bad from day one. And voilá, the game was _better_. Nothing bad happened. Nothing broken. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > being away from your keyboard for 10 minutes could also be considered AFK. Absolutely it is. You remember the argument that is being told _everytime_ someone complains he was ganked in HS or being caught in LS or 0.0 ratting because he didn’t pay attention to Dscan/Local for _10 seconds_? “If you want to stop paying attention GO DOCK / LOG OFF!”. Cloaking shoudn’t be an exception. People should have options to put pressure on cloakies that forces them to be ready to warp, change course, reposition in very short intervals if the hunt is on. There should be no right to “convenience cloaking”. Even worse, in places where you can’t use MoObs, you have not even that option. Someone can sit cloaked for hours directly next to your station and track every move, who is going out, who is coming in, who is docked, where is a group going and you can do absolutely _nothing_ against that. This is _clearly_ broken and should have countermeasures. If you want to use deployables that break cloak, if you want to use specialized ships or probes or a combination of all that is a design preference, but in the end it _can_ absolutely be designed in a way that _both_ sides have their chances and options and in the end the one with more skill, attention and dedication “wins”. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/45 "2025-01-11T22:26:52Z")
Null-sec should probably be able to lock down stargates in space they control (or at least restrict access). And maybe we should get rid of filaments altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/46 "2025-01-11T23:56:49Z")
I am absolutely supportive of this. SOVers would be able to isolate themselves from the rest of new eden, which is exactly what they want the most. They would also trap all their alliance members inside their space, which is what they want the second most, as that guarantees income for the Jump Freighters, and it also finally removes the last bit of competition nullsec marketers were facing, guaranteeing them income no matter how hard they scam. Can I join a group dedicated to lancer-ing Jump Freighters? I want to contribute my share into bleeding out SOV space. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/47 "2025-01-12T00:00:06Z")
> [@Airborne\_MikeW](#): > > When you have a single person running 25 accounts, of which half are AFK, and able to keep people from ratting, CCP has a problem. I think you are the one with a problem. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/48 "2025-01-12T00:26:52Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > And then the Devs finally fixed it because people actually complained season after season after season until they realized it is _simply bad_ - and was bad from day one. And voilá, the game was _better_. Nothing bad happened. Nothing broken. The über charm spammed by a rabid druid (faster AS of the game) able to desync people… and crash the server, leading to dupe method. I never lost a barb in the hell sanctuary (I played HC diablo2 solo self drop), but that’s mainly because I only used shouting barbs (with double spirit swords !! ). Could not do it in hell though, too many immuns. But back to topic, yes people see a change in itself as an issue, even if later on it’s actually beneficial and they would not want to go back (but won’t admit it) I forgot to mention the bugged souls in act V. And also the ability to spam skeletons and crash the server, too, another dupping method (fixed like CCP did with carriers, by reducing the amount of skeletons but giving them better stats) ---
**Author:** ![New\_toon\_10001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_toon_10001/32/447161_2.png) [@New\_toon\_10001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_toon_10001)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/49 "2025-01-12T01:36:06Z")
Oh great. You just gave the Nullbears the next thing they will want and as per usual CCP will bend over like a B1tcH and give it to them 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/50 "2025-01-12T01:41:25Z")
The same six people saying the same things to each other for hundreds of posts every time someone waggles a laser pointer in front of them. I’ll tell you a little secret. SAYING THE SAME STUFF IN EVERY CLOAKY CAMPER THREAD IS GOING TO CHANGE EXACTLY ZERO MINDS! That also applies to gank threads, FW threads, botting threads, etc. Carry on. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/51 "2025-01-12T01:42:21Z")
> [@New\_toon\_10001](#): > > Oh great. You just gave the Nullbears the next thing they will want and as per usual CCP will bend over like a B1tcH and give it to them Pretty sure they have more than enough “cheerleaders” on the CSM and elsewhere that have already suggested this. Other than the idea for a wall. That’s mine. I guess it could also be a minefield… ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/52 "2025-01-12T01:57:13Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > SAYING THE SAME STUFF IN EVERY CLOAKY CAMPER THREAD IS GOING TO CHANGE EXACTLY ZERO MINDS! Sorry, it’s my old age. I lose memory. I think. Who re you, again ? You make me think of my nephew. Always angry, always the great ideas. That will pass. [insert random old person image] ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/53 "2025-01-12T02:06:12Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > SAYING THE SAME STUFF IN EVERY CLOAKY CAMPER THREAD IS GOING TO CHANGE EXACTLY ZERO MINDS! Might say the same to you… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/54 "2025-01-12T02:17:19Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Might say the same to you It would be unusual if you didn’t. That’s part of your script. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/55 "2025-01-12T02:18:13Z")
What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/56 "2025-01-12T05:06:32Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > SAYING THE SAME STUFF IN EVERY CLOAKY CAMPER THREAD IS GOING TO CHANGE EXACTLY ZERO MINDS! Sometimes it can be difficult to control the volume of one’s voice! ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/57 "2025-01-12T06:06:50Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Sometimes it can be difficult to control the volume of one’s voice! Usually its not the voice thats the issue its the volume of the hearing aids!! Kinda like drunk people at the pub yelling and spitting in your ear over the music. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/58 "2025-01-12T06:11:57Z")
I’ve had enough of you pushing me around! / you owe 1 million isk // [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/b/e/fbe9d174eb7e1c6fec984ffa75ced95cfaa7336f.jpeg "Austin Powers - I've Had Enough of You Pushing Me Around") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b9C1D3sd18) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/59 "2025-01-12T08:21:51Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > What are you talking about? > [@"looking-for-group" channel](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/looking-for-group-channel/473762/6): > > What are you talking about? Aiko is Frostpacker’s alt confirmed. 🤔 😏 😊 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/60 "2025-01-12T08:23:48Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Aiko is Frost Why in New Eden would frosty propose to himself? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/61 "2025-01-12T08:24:30Z")
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