# Cloaky Camping on Multiple Accounts **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** null-sec\ **Created:** [January 11, 2025, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745 "2025-01-11T03:12:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/82 "2025-03-03T12:55:32Z")
It’s a condition called Pixel Fear, and everyone in nullsec suffers from a terminal case of it… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/83 "2025-03-03T12:58:38Z")
Scared to death of the possibility of PvP in a PvP game… ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/84 "2025-03-03T14:23:43Z")
> [@Luna\_Arrives](#): > > These people just want to maintain 0 risk pvp instead of having a real battles which is why there is a blops meta instead of real fleets. You know that a blops fleet can be counterdropped, right? A blops drop is not a one-way, dead-end street (like your alliance), but I guess this logic is lost to most null sec carebears that are afraid of a cloaked ship. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/85 "2025-03-03T14:56:51Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > CCP has already done something about this (non)issue: mobile observatories. Worried about a cloaky camper, setup an observatory, probe them down and kill them. On a max skill character, a single pass of combat probes is about 4.5 seconds. Assuming the target requires no align time, only half a second of time is left to warp to target and engage. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Problem solved. Superficially, Botters and the use of a macro easily defeat this mechanic. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > People have been crying about cloaky campers for 20 years. Because nothing was done about it? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/86 "2025-03-03T15:04:48Z")
The real tears start to flow when they do probe you down, but they still can’t warp to you because you’re sitting inside the sun, lol. Love doing that… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/87 "2025-03-03T15:05:30Z")
Sounds like exploiting a flaw of the game to me? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/88 "2025-03-03T15:08:11Z")
How is a limitation of the game engine an exploit? Anyone can fly inside of the sun or any other orbital body anywhere in the game. This has been possible since day one… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/89 "2025-03-03T15:17:27Z")
While it has been possible for a long time, CCP messed up when they recently changed the game for it to be impossible to warp to those locations, but still allow players to fly there. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/90 "2025-03-03T15:27:32Z")
It’s not some sort of obvious misuse of obtuse game mechanics. Meaning that as long as CCP doesn’t state it to be an exploit, it isn’t one. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/91 "2025-03-03T15:30:59Z")
Oh I agree. I just think CCP should fix it already. If players cannot warp into planets and suns they shouldn’t be able to fly there either. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/92 "2025-03-03T15:33:51Z")
That’s a valid stance. Personally I’d say that CCP should just improve the whole planet/sun/moon situation to be less silly, but that would probably put it at the back of the queue… somewhere 2029. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/93 "2025-03-03T15:45:05Z")
Like I said, it’s a limitation of the game engine. The sun and planets aren’t physically there. They are hollow spheres. What are they going to do? Put a ten million kilometer invisible hitbox around them? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/94 "2025-03-03T15:47:10Z")
Yes? Sounds like an easy fix. They could add a nice ‘your ship crashed onto a planet/sun’ killmail too. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/95 "2025-03-03T15:49:31Z")
Doubt it. Players have been whining about bumping for 20 years and there’s nothing they can do about that either… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/96 "2025-03-03T15:50:31Z")
Bumping is a lot harder to fix without causing other gameplay issues than it is to make the interior of celestials off-limits. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/97 "2025-03-03T15:52:02Z")
You still don’t quite seem to get the fact that this has been a thing for 22 years now. It’s not gonna happen… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/98 "2025-03-03T15:52:57Z")
You didn’t realize that it only happened in the last couple of years that CCP made the interior of celestials un-warpable. They’ve made changes to the 22 years old engine and they too can make new changes to how celestials work. I remember my newbie days, I made so many fun bookmarks in and next to planets that I could warp to. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/99 "2025-03-03T15:54:22Z")
Yes and it took them 20 years to do that. I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/100 "2025-03-03T15:55:59Z")
I know it’s a minor change, doesn’t impact many players and thus unlikely to be fixed. But unlike you I do think it’s an easy straightforward fix. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745/101 "2025-03-03T16:00:55Z")
Hey, if it keeps a bot fleet or group of risk adverse neckbeards from undocking all day, I call that a win… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-on-multiple-accounts/473745.md?page=6)