# \[CLOSED\] Any Reply After This is Admitting You Lost **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 11, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529 "2025-06-11T14:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/1 "2025-06-11T14:52:57Z")
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**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/2 "2025-06-11T14:57:15Z")
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**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/3 "2025-06-11T15:00:39Z")
Are you saying gankers are real-life psychopaths? 🤔 :ccpguard: ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/4 "2025-06-11T15:09:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/5 "2025-06-11T15:11:04Z")
All I see in OP is a ChatGPT slop spam so I rather ask YOU what you think. So again… > [@\[CLOSED\] Any Reply After This is Admitting You Lost](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psychology-of-ruthless-pvp-what-the-research-actually-says/489529/3): > > Are you saying gankers are real-life psychopaths? thinkingccpguard ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/6 "2025-06-11T15:12:23Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Are you saying gankers are real-life psychopaths? I don’t know about gankers, specifically - but there are definitely some borderline psychopaths in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/7 "2025-06-11T15:33:16Z")
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**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/8 "2025-06-11T15:48:44Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > He’s trying to bait me into a forum rule violation. Speaking of psychology: that sounds like a severe case of paranoia. You still haven’t answered a simple question. All you post is ChatGPT spam without content and when asked questions you can’t provide any meaningful answer of your own just post more ChatGPT nonsense. I am not the only one recognizing this by the way, just the latest such: > [@The Case for a 100% Safe Highsec](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/138): > > I’d say you started the whole psychology bullshitting game, right? I only fed you your own medicine. Your ‘AI summaries’ reveal your true problem: not having arguments, thus inventing stories and problems, pretending to have ‘good intentions’ and thus claiming a moral highground you simply made up. Thankfully it’s so obvious that you can’t score points in the discussion, so this topic is doomed like all the others to vanish into insignificance and get locked and forgotten at some point, without … I know though, you will keep your paranoid attitude and say people are against you for no reason, it is a conspiracy, and everyone else is wrong and `anyone who disagrees with you is trolling`. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/9 "2025-06-11T15:52:34Z")
Be careful, you are now _part of the toxic system_ and basically _the reason all those **problems** exist_. That you don’t believe him without any doubt and follow him on the crusade is already _proof that he is right_. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/10 "2025-06-11T15:54:14Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > you are now It’s okay, doesn’t make a difference what’s in his mind, I only care about the real world and objective facts. 🤔 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/11 "2025-06-11T16:05:29Z")
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**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/12 "2025-06-11T16:07:20Z")
I’m here to discuss the thread subject but you refuse and just derail your own thread with your offtopic spam trolling. So again: > [@\[CLOSED\] Any Reply After This is Admitting You Lost](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psychology-of-ruthless-pvp-what-the-research-actually-says/489529/3): > > Are you saying gankers are real-life psychopaths? thinkingccpguard ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/13 "2025-06-11T16:17:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/14 "2025-06-11T16:18:18Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > I cited actual studies, but don’t bother reading them. Your studies have nothing to do with ganking, because gankers - for a laaarge part - are not intentionally _farming newbie players_, they couldn’t care less for the 3-day old Heron scanning in some godforsaken minmatar backyard. They have professionalized a profit-based system of making money in EVE and are picking _targets of opportunity_, no matter if flown by a newb or a veteran. If I shoot someone in a FPS that jumps right into my gun because he is a newb, that doesn’t mean killing him is _toxic_, because I simply don’t care if he is a noob or not. I don’t follow him around, trying to get into his game lobbies, camping his respawning points. He just was at the wrong location at the wrong time. Happens, it’s part of the competition. Same goes for 90% of the gankers in EVE. They don’t care a bit if the pilot is a Vet, a Newb, a Nullseccer or a Wormholer, a Carebear or a PvPer. If their calculations show that they can bring down the ship and walk away with a nice profit, they do. If they feel they need to send a message because someone is Autopiloting, they do. If they feel they need to blow someone out of a belt or system they want to sell “mining permits” in, they do. All your ideas about “toxic behaviour” are simply thin air, applying to a tiny minority of EVE players. And those aren’t even all gankers. So “fixing ganking” is adressing absolutely _nothing_ in this concern. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/15 "2025-06-11T16:28:12Z")
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**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/16 "2025-06-11T16:31:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/19 "2025-06-11T16:58:29Z")
Yeah, as you can see, new players are _one_ part in a list of many. They are a target of opportunity like everyone else. And why not? Also Aiko is simply RPing here at the boards quite a bit, everyone knows it and exaggerating is just part of the game. Context, you know? The fewest gankers I know are _focusing_ on new players. Simply because new players rarely have stuff worth looting. Doesn’t mean they don’t snatch away a newb that gets into their path. But the number of people who _deliberately_ focus on new player killings is so tiny, it’s not even remotely worth a discussion. > [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > so many killmails full of empty haulers, untanked Ventures, and rookie ships? “so many” is a tiny number when seen in context to the total number of kills happening in the game, or even in HS. > [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > Not all gankers are toxic. But pretending none are is just denial. I never said _none_ are. Those who are simply are so few compared to the total population of the game, it’s not an issue at all. One can safely ignore them, most people will never ever meet them. ---
**Author:** ![JB\_Hitmarker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jb_hitmarker/32/431028_2.png) [@JB\_Hitmarker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JB_Hitmarker)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/20 "2025-06-11T17:42:22Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/0/1b030ea0df2352e295cf74786f7cb9baaadb35bc.png) Woah there, calm down miner. ---
**Author:** ![Sere\_O\_Asis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sere_o_asis/32/515651_2.png) [@Sere\_O\_Asis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sere_O_Asis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/21 "2025-06-11T17:44:58Z")
o/ @Swing_Vote1 You obviously are passionate regarding this topic; but the forum readers/posters do not work for CCP. CCP is the only entity that can address your concerns in any manner. Rather than expending your energy engaging with others who have no power or authority to change the game, would you not be better off engaging with CCP directly? Either on their discord? Or through the CSM? Or even an ‘open letter’ on these forums to CCP? “Tarred with the same brush” came to mind when I read this post, as a whole. As if you were accusing all players, especially when I read this: > [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > ignore fair fights, and brag about it (Insert: see Reddit, here.) This “impression” I have of your words, the impression that was left with me, undercuts, what I believe to be, your argument. Perhaps it is a “translation” issue, perhaps a cultural or language barrier. Your main argument, imo, is: > [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > there’s a big difference between strategic PvP and going out of your way to hunt the weakest players over and over again But, to the best of my knowledge CCP does not allow players, especially new players, to be hunted “over and over again.” I have first hand experience of this in the Trossere system, CCP does put a stop to older players abusing the ignorance of new players. If this “new players being hunted over and over again” is not what you are referencing, but you are in fact putting forth a position against something else…I can only put it “colloquially”, “I kinda lost the thread” amidst all the words. So, I will return to my initial recommendation, given your, what I believe to be sincere interest, in this topic…would you not be more effective addressing your argument(s) directly to CCP? I have read your post twice over, and all the responses to it available to me, and I still don’t know exactly what you are either asking for or trying to accomplish with your post. If you are trying to posit EVE Online fosters such negativity (and I may be misusing the word “negativity”) as toxicity and sadism, well, that’s a different issue. If you are trying to posit EVE Online was designed to entice paying customers with these personality characteristics, that again, imo, is a different argument. If you are trying to posit EVE Online should not service (is that the correct word?), I’ll amend that to “engage financially” with potential customers with such personality traits, I don’t know what to tell you. How would they screen for that? And, that again…is another argument entirely to what “I read” in your original post. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/23 "2025-06-11T18:24:46Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > Not all gankers are toxic. But pretending none are is just denial. There is no toxicity as toxic as the pseudo-professional ‘analyser’ full of BS that doesn’t even begin to mask the toxic levels of confirmation bias whereby the person is really not in the least bit actually interested in the ‘discussion’ they claim to want but instead to railroad their pre-conceived views. Oh…and that would be you. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529.md?page=2)