# \[CLOSED\] Any Reply After This is Admitting You Lost **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 11, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529 "2025-06-11T14:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/66 "2025-06-12T10:49:47Z")
you have to be a tad ruthless in this game from time to time, even better if you mix it with being nice ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/67 "2025-06-12T11:18:08Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > empathy. If you want to use this word, you need to define what it means. Psychology studies does generally not use it in the meaning it is defined in either UK or US English, this extends to numerous other languages as well. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/68 "2025-06-12T11:23:51Z")
> [@Laubrani](#): > > define what it means That’s an interesting point, but I’m using _empathy_ in the standard psychological context: the capacity to recognize, understand, and respond to the feelings of others. This is consistent with how it’s used in peer-reviewed behavioral studies on online gaming and aggression. If you believe psychologists are misusing the term, feel free to cite a credible source. Otherwise, this just sounds like a deflection. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/69 "2025-06-12T14:30:33Z")
The only debate here has become why you think can post that people a psychopaths for playing this game. Do you hold a PhD in psychology? That enables you to make these statements. Again having read the studies does not mean I can make a statement on any gamer playing any game as to his/her/they psychological makeup. I am not a train psychiatrist or psychologist. I hold no such degrees in this area. The studies while interesting is not one that makes one suddenly an expert in this field. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/70 "2025-06-12T16:52:08Z")
One more useless ganker thread… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/71 "2025-06-12T17:07:12Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > The purpose of this post is to share information and spark a discussion LOL. Every single one of your posts make it clear that the last thing you want is an actual ‘discussion’. It is made abundantly clear by your phrases such as ’ the truth is…‘…’ whether you like it or not’…‘studies show’ ( when the studies are not of the game itself )… It is abundantly clear, and I am far from being the only person to have noticed it, that you have zero interest in any ‘discussion’. The thread is, like all your others, just you blaring out your view and ignoring anything counter. If you are not happy with the game…there is a function called ‘biomass’ you should familiarise yourself with and do us all a favour. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/72 "2025-06-12T17:34:55Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > function called ‘biomass’ Were you part of the study? People like you really help the game grow. ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/73 "2025-06-12T18:01:25Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > You’re free to believe that no EVE player exhibits these tendencies, that all of them do, or anything in between. The reality if looked at close enough is that, as the DSM-V-TR states, that all functions of mental health are a continuum. Most, if not all, will be somewhere on that continuum yet to state that they are ‘pathological’ and can be labeled as psychopathic is a very subjective idea that differs even amoung those who diagnose disorders. The four primary criteria used to identify a psychological disorder are deviance, distress, dysfunction, and danger to self or others. Not only can you not even begin to diagnose based on some behaviour in a gaming environment due to lack of supporting evidence but to just bandy around words without understanding context, that this is a game styled as being able to be a “villain,” is silly. So stating that they exhibit these tendencies is apt but not a damning example or proof of actual psychopathy. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/74 "2025-06-12T18:35:39Z")
Clearly ✨ ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/75 "2025-06-12T19:53:56Z")
**I’ve decided not to engage with a certain individual any further.** After what I learned yesterday, it’s clear we’re operating on completely different wavelengths. There’s no productive outcome in debating someone who seems more interested in ideological performance than honest conversation. I’ll save my energy for discussions grounded in reason and respect. * * * ![Eve LCD](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/2/9/e299efa402d6d66ff612cf02f249903d192252dd.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/76 "2025-06-12T20:04:27Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > ![Eve LCD](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/2/9/e299efa402d6d66ff612cf02f249903d192252dd.jpeg) Missed opportunity to use the NCR flag from Fallout instead. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/77 "2025-06-12T20:33:26Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > If you believe psychologists are misusing the term, feel free to cite a credible source. Otherwise, this just sounds like a deflection. As mentioned it is UK and US English, so Oxford dictionary, Cambridge Dictionary, Britannica, Merriam-Webster would be the places I go to look for these two. _EDIT_ And for anyone curious who don’t care to bother read a bunch of articles. The difference is: \*In languages empathy means a skill. Just picking a single example, anyone who gets curious can go read them all, try also your own local language. Oxford: “The ability to understand another person’s feelings, experience, etc.” (note, no feeling either way about it, just knowing what they are). In psychology it means the empathy skill AND sympathy in one word. and as such they lose the ability to talk about the skill. Some have realized this and make up double words (affectionate empathy = sympathy, cognitive empathy = empathy) to try explain themselves, fx this snip: “Empathy can refer to the capacity to share feelings, namely “affective empathy” (if you are sad, I also feel sad). But it can also be the ability to understand other people’s minds, dubbed “cognitive empathy” (I know what you think and why you are feeling sad).” ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/78 "2025-06-12T20:36:40Z")
Very much true. I started Eve-Online because I wanted to fly around and explore space, investigate old relics, mine and rat the belts and mission running for fun. Basically, my likes away from work the I developed from likes when I was younger. I also like going into Null and Low to run FW sites and general raiding. I know PvP will probably happen at some point, so I take a PvP fit ship and run the gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/79 "2025-06-12T21:09:24Z")
He’s so obsessed with me! ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/80 "2025-06-12T21:17:53Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > People like you really help the game grow. Why, thanks. Yes I do…as I actually spend time playing it rather than trying to contrive another pile of garbage from ChatGPT. And yes…you have finally convinced me that some EVE members do have psychological issues. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Ritenhouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyle_ritenhouse/32/464147_2.png) [@Kyle\_Ritenhouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyle_Ritenhouse)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/81 "2025-06-12T21:51:03Z")
Who is? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/82 "2025-06-12T21:54:47Z")
That crazy guy who keeps ranting. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/83 "2025-06-13T00:02:10Z")
I am guessing here and please do correct me if I happen to be wrong. Swing Vote you are not going to answer my question as to whether you have a degree in psychology that would enable you to say anyone is a psychopath in a game. I am just trying to clarify whether you have any real degrees in this area of psychology. Or are you going to ignore me as well? This is just my private opinion but if you had really wanted an actual conversation. You would not have started out by posting that gamers are psychopaths. I am paraphrasing here. But that is the gist of what you posted. Instead you could have posted, “hey look at this study I found on a certain set of gamers”. instead of me having you go out and look and retrieve the study you did eventually post. Your way invited the an unproductive argument. That I guess at this point you wanted. Mine would have engaged many people to look at it and weigh in on the merits of the study. As well as offering an opinion on it. Good/bad/indifferent. But then I have been accused of being a troll. For nothing more than asking questions that I felt were pertinent to the subject at hand. Such as do you hold a degree? That enables you to make a statement on whether a player is a psychopath. Shrugs ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/84 "2025-06-13T00:08:23Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > you are not going to answer my question You’ve misunderstood both my original post and the intent behind it. I never diagnosed anyone, nor did I claim to hold a clinical license. What I did do was reference peer-reviewed studies conducted by credentialed psychologists. These studies show a statistical correlation between certain in-game behaviors and specific personality traits such as narcissism, sadism, and low empathy. That is not a diagnosis. That is a citation. The irony here is that you are demanding academic credentials from me just to reference a study, while dismissing that same study outright without offering any credentials or counter-research of your own. If we are going to apply standards of authority, let’s apply them evenly. Regarding tone, yes, it was direct. Sometimes uncomfortable topics require that. But if the mention of psychology and gaming behavior makes people defensive, that may reflect more on the culture we are discussing than on the person bringing it up. You are absolutely free to disagree with the study. You are also free to provide an alternative interpretation or cite other research. That is what a productive discussion looks like. However, trying to shut down the topic by asking whether someone holds a degree, instead of addressing the content of the research, avoids the actual conversation. No one was called a psychopath. I referenced studies that show some overlap between specific traits and specific playstyles. That is not slander. That is data. If you want to talk about the study itself, I am all for it. That is the conversation I intended to have from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529/85 "2025-06-13T01:14:39Z")
In vague terms it can maybe be said that some playstyles may or may not share attributes with certain personality traits, maybe, and only in some remote circumstances. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed-any-reply-after-this-is-admitting-you-lost/489529.md?page=5)