# Closed **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 4, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817 "2021-06-04T16:16:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Zyma\_TheZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zyma_thez/32/495589_2.png) [@Zyma\_TheZ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zyma_TheZ)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/181 "2021-06-09T05:47:50Z")
You are forgetting that most of the gankers who kill barges or exhumers are doing that not for isk but for “tears”. Thus the only solution here I see you to have lasting consequences. Or to adapt current ones to have more impact. Like post above. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/182 "2021-06-09T07:30:47Z")
We aren’t doing it for the isk or the tears. We simply expect every miner in the game to purchase a valid mining license and obey the law. It’s a very reasonable request. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/183 "2021-06-09T08:59:15Z")
Hey guys, just seen this advanced mining pack! What do you think? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/2/8/f28f0bda46038f2f8616696df2f2964a87aa6ac7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/184 "2021-06-09T12:24:24Z")
> [@Shaigh](#): > > I think the solution is simple…make security status directly proportional to the speed Concord reacts… The higher your security status, the quicker Concord reacts to you being attacked… It would give disadvantaged solo players a way to help protect themselves… I think this would be fair to both sides of it and help prevent solo players from rage quitting… So long as the speed concord reacts to in 1.0 is the same speed for players who are 10.0, and gets worse the lower you are, to a minute at most when at 0.0, im all for this change. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/185 "2021-06-09T12:30:36Z")
> [@Zyma\_TheZ](#): > > You are forgetting that most of the gankers who kill barges or exhumers are doing that not for isk but for “tears”. I havent forgotten this. > [@Zyma\_TheZ](#): > > Thus the only solution here I see you to have lasting consequences. This sentence doesnt make any sense. But just because gankers dont _care_ about isk, doesnt mean it isnt balanced, or skewed towards the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/186 "2021-06-09T20:56:50Z")
Because noobs should be easier to gank than carebear vets? 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/187 "2021-06-10T07:42:53Z")
Well what ever the answer is it worked ok last night , was out training new players to anti-ganking and came across the painter fleet in Uedama , sadly he got a freighter but as a little bit of pay back we killed his looter , so game seems to be working , both side put the effort in, where patient and ships went pop in massive balls of fire . > **[Fenrir | Phey'lya | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/93315439/)** > > Phey'lya (35th Street RMnM) lost their Fenrir in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Further Painting (Painter Freight Services) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 2,719,252,840.66 ISK > **[Charon | Morgan Painter | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/93315526/)** > > Morgan Painter (Painter Advanced Logistics) lost their Charon in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Namubi Melander (New Eden Police Force) flying in a Gnosis. Total Value: 2,809,190,968.28 ISK So game seems to work ---
**Author:** ![Mandalf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mandalf/32/278086_2.png) [@Mandalf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mandalf)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/188 "2021-06-10T15:58:15Z")
#greatBallsOfFire ---
**Author:** ![Falran\_Estilien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falran_estilien/32/277148_2.png) [@Falran\_Estilien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falran_Estilien)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/189 "2021-06-11T16:26:50Z")
> The Gankers stop exploiting the Game-Mechanik in Highsec with dozens of Accounts > and do PvP in Low and 0.0 where its is supposed to. This is the thing that needs to be taken seriously. SO many of the gankers are clearly the same person (you can tell by the character names and such). They’re clearly cheating to be able to gank in hi-sec with 20+ characters in time before getting concorded. Without broadcasting they’d never be able to pull it off. Ganking is fine, but single players solo’ing freighters in hi-sec with cheating need to be dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/190 "2021-06-11T18:25:11Z")
> [@Falran\_Estilien](#): > > This is the thing that needs to be taken seriously. SO many of the gankers are clearly the same person (you can tell by the character names and such). They’re clearly cheating to be able to gank in hi-sec with 20+ characters in time before getting concorded. Without broadcasting they’d never be able to pull it off. Ganking is fine, but single players solo’ing freighters in hi-sec with cheating need to be dealt with. how is being far better than you at EVE cheating ? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Carrigan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jack_carrigan/32/249589_2.png) [@Jack\_Carrigan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jack_Carrigan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/191 "2021-06-11T18:45:38Z")
Hate to break it to you sunshine, but gankers are actually great for EVE, especially for industry and the economy. Here is the why: 1. Gankers destroy items which industrialists produce, thereby creating more demand on the market, and allowing industrialists to exploit that demand by creating a supply. 2. They create an ISK sink by destroying valuable ships/items, which reduces the market inflation. 3. They remove unused, or unnecessary structures, thus creating content, and de-cluttering systems, and allowing for placement of structures which provide valuable services to other players. 4. They remind people that high security space is just that, HIGH SECURITY, not absolute security, thus keeping with the theme of “space is a dangerous place” and “to undock is to consent to PvP” 5. Even gankers will realize that the person they shot was new, and likely comp their ship, and give them valuable insights, tips, and fitting advice to prevent them from being a victim again. 6. Welcome to New Eden. 7. Show us on the doll where the gankers touched you. 8. HTFU ---
**Author:** ![Lfod\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lfod_shi/32/376240_2.png) [@Lfod\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lfod_Shi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/192 "2021-06-12T16:01:42Z")
Gankers make the The Run from Amarr to Jita much less boring. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/193 "2021-06-12T16:43:08Z")
> [@Falran\_Estilien](#): > > They’re clearly cheating to be able to gank in hi-sec with 20+ characters in time before getting concorded. Without broadcasting they’d never be able to pull it off. Ganking is fine, but single players solo’ing freighters in hi-sec with cheating need to be dealt with. > **[Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/jason_kusion/clip/FreezingAntsyFrogPrimeMe?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time)** > > Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers. You are factually wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/194 "2021-06-13T15:25:54Z")
Can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/195 "2021-06-13T15:30:49Z")
Have to disagree with you there. If he wants to spend tons on money and strut around like a peacock with no consequences, he should go back to WoW. The rest of us only fly what can afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/196 "2021-06-13T15:49:12Z")
Now you see, my pretty, this is where the problem lies. We need to be able to enter and gank/pod them inside stations or flush them out, particularly JITA spammers. ---
**Author:** ![eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/32/268419_2.png) [@eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/197 "2021-06-14T00:28:33Z")
seems he bought a thunderchild cause A: hes a child B: his thundering anger at being ganked anyone else taste that salt??? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/198 "2021-06-14T00:44:16Z")
“Gankers are killing EVE!!!” - Every salty player for the past 18 years. Yet here we still are… ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/199 "2021-06-14T00:53:06Z")
Credit card warriors are the worse in a business orientated game. Agreed 100% ---
**Author:** ![Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jhousetlin_zamayid/32/276098_2.png) [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jhousetlin_Zamayid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/200 "2021-06-14T01:26:32Z")
Ganking is fine the way it is. And I say that with this on my list of losses: [Miasmos | Bien Chao Ming | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/91364252/) Turns out the best tank is giving absolutely zero ■■■■. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817.md?page=11)