# Closed **URL:** \ **Category:** Market Discussions\ **Created:** [January 20, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181 "2018-01-20T00:25:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/1 "2018-01-20T00:25:44Z")
Closed ---
**Author:** ![Iedan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iedan/32/376085_2.png) [@Iedan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iedan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/3 "2018-01-20T11:15:03Z")
Out of curiosity, and assuming collateral value \> principal, and trustworthiness of enorn, why? ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/5 "2018-01-20T12:00:50Z")
What makes you question enorn’s trustworthyness? ---
**Author:** ![Iedan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iedan/32/376085_2.png) [@Iedan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iedan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/6 "2018-01-20T12:05:58Z")
Amount of the loan for one, and the fact he has 500b outstanding (not sure on the latter, haven’t checked). I wasn’t questioning enorns trustworthiness though. ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/7 "2018-01-20T12:09:09Z")
You’re asking why I’d take out a 2 trillion isk collateralized loan? To free up isk for trading and it’s cheap… It’s no different than Apple takes out 96 billion dollars worth of loans when they 250 billion dollars worth of cash on hand… Better to have and not need than to need and not have… ---
**Author:** ![Bank\_McBanks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bank_mcbanks/32/43036_2.png) [@Bank\_McBanks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bank_McBanks)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/8 "2018-01-20T14:21:39Z")
So you have lots of free isk and you want more… right? ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/9 "2018-01-20T14:22:31Z")
I had 1.3 trillion liquid isk when I made this post. ---
**Author:** ![Bank\_McBanks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bank_mcbanks/32/43036_2.png) [@Bank\_McBanks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bank_McBanks)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/10 "2018-01-20T14:23:55Z")
So double you money and run with your alt 🙂 It’s possible. Eggs in one basket? I think investors or anyone who has this kind of free isk, would think twice about keeping collateral covering 2T isk with a single party who could also run with it. Not questioning anyones honesty, but tbh, this is EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/11 "2018-01-20T14:26:10Z")
I have uses for the collateral… Just long term. I also have investments I’m making now that require more isk. ---
**Author:** ![Bank\_McBanks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bank_mcbanks/32/43036_2.png) [@Bank\_McBanks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bank_McBanks)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/12 "2018-01-20T14:26:40Z")
So how much collateral are you asking for to cover 2T isk? ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/13 "2018-01-20T14:27:06Z")
I outlined the collateral in the first post. ---
**Author:** ![Bank\_McBanks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bank_mcbanks/32/43036_2.png) [@Bank\_McBanks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bank_McBanks)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/14 "2018-01-20T14:29:17Z")
> [@Zahara\_Cody](#): > > I outlined the collateral in the first post. Apologies, I misread the original post. Still wouldn’t touch this with a bargepole 😍 ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/15 "2018-01-20T14:30:31Z")
The collateral is a bet on PLEX not having a catastrophic drop in price. ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/16 "2018-01-20T14:54:46Z")
Added a Vangel to the collateral… 2,372,500,000,000 ---
**Author:** ![Iedan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iedan/32/376085_2.png) [@Iedan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iedan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/18 "2018-01-20T17:27:38Z")
I wasn’t asking about the purpose of the loan, tbh with collateral it won’t really matter what you do with it. My concern is the loan amount (ie collateral amount), i would be hesitant to trust 3rd parties with that sum. ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/19 "2018-01-20T17:33:33Z")
Both Chribba and Grendell held my State Raven before I sold it for 2.3 trillion isk… Norn has held north of 1.5 trillion with no collateral. I can’t speak as to how they might perform in the future though. ---
**Author:** ![Caldari\_Lanyaie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldari_lanyaie/32/12475_2.png) [@Caldari\_Lanyaie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldari_Lanyaie)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/21 "2018-01-23T01:36:48Z")
If words could fill wallets I’m sure yours would be filled enough for someone to care about that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Zahara\_Cody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zahara_cody/32/470812_2.png) [@Zahara\_Cody](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zahara_Cody)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/22 "2018-01-24T21:27:28Z")
Added another stack of PLEX/MPTC and upped the loan to 2.5 trillion… Thanks, -Z ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_T\_Pepridge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_t_pepridge/32/408704_2.png) [@Jerry\_T\_Pepridge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_T_Pepridge)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/23 "2018-01-26T09:23:50Z")
Would like pledge 20B ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/52181/24 "2018-04-26T09:23:53Z")
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