# CODE: From the Perspective of a Non-Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, pvp, high-sec\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638 "2020-07-30T18:19:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/182 "2020-09-20T15:53:50Z")
I always thought it was the other way around, that CCP wanted you to love them. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/183 "2020-09-20T15:57:37Z")
I will love CCP only when they build an ice statue of James in Halaima, put a ring of dancing fire Aikos in orbit of Agil III, and officially edit the in-game canon to describe the dissolution of the Empires, the election of the Saviour, and the succession of the Saviourette. I also want CONCORD and faction police to start hunting the miners. Let the bots kill the bots. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/184 "2020-09-20T17:00:13Z")
The anti-CODE people here need to read and understand this: [http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub](http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub) ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/185 "2020-09-20T17:21:36Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You just have to understand that they have the _right_ to exist I am not disputing their right to exist, nor anyone else’s for that matter, that is destructive kind reasoning that I do not practice. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Many uninformed players (not saying _you_ ) are under the impression that what CODE. does is actually against the game’s rules I do not claim that at all, I mentioned couple of times before that everything is within the game rules as long as it doesn’t break EULA, which as far as I know they are careful not to do. All I said was I do not like them, their so called doctrine or the way they play the game, that’s it. My own personal opinion, I do believe I am entitled to one. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/186 "2020-09-20T19:23:48Z")
Have that Ice Statue re spawn once a day after reset so we can mine ice blocks from it. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/187 "2020-09-20T20:03:00Z")
CODE. isn’t an issue if you follow some pretty basic rules: 1. Set them and any other known ganking corp/alliance orange or red in standings. Watch local. 2. Tank your ships. Seriously, put a bit of tank on your ships and you should be fine. 3. Don’t mine within 5 jumps of Jita or any other trading hubs… ganking groups patrol these ideas 4. Have insta undock and dock bookmarks for stations you use in areas known for ganking. 5. If you can use a blockade runner or a DST instead of a freighter, do it. They will survive where a paper thin freighter gets exploded. As for what CODE. does. They are an important part of Eve’s ecosystem… just like benthivores in an aquarium. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/188 "2020-09-20T20:28:23Z")
So basically you are suggesting people should follow the Code and they will be good, wise words indeed. Praise James \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/189 "2020-09-20T20:53:25Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > So basically you are suggesting people should follow the Code and they will be good, wise words indeed. Nope… because that would include paying for a mining permit and I don’t recommend that. Nor would I ‘gf’ anyone after a gank; I expect people to hull up and accept getting ganked, but ganking isn’t a fight. A fight suggests some form of competition; by its very nature, a gank isn’t competitive. Just as I expect people who are ganked to hull up, I expect gankers to hull up and admit they are gankers and not act like they are anything different. And if I see a member of CODE. in local, I might decide to make fun of them and even I’ll even use swear words when talking to them if I please. Overall, I consider Code.'s code to be a joke and an excuse to gank by roleplaying. What’s sad is you don’t need an excuse to gank, just hull up and do it… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/190 "2020-09-20T20:55:52Z")
We don’t roleplay? ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/191 "2020-09-20T20:57:41Z")
Calm down, CODE. member!! ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/192 "2020-09-20T21:04:41Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Nope… because that would include paying for a mining permit and I don’t recommend that. We do recommend the purchase of a permit it will make you feel so much better about yourself. > [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > but ganking isn’t a fight. when i joined EVE one of the main rules of EVE alongside don’t undock in something you are not prepared to lose was if you find yourself in a fair fight you have screwed up. Ganking is in fact a fight its just that the victim couldn’t be bothered to prepare for it and that’s not our fault, if the victim thinks its unfair they lost they should have followed the Code > [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > And if I see a member of CODE. in local, I might decide to make fun of them and even I’ll even use swear words when talking to them if I please. so you enjoy our content and join in, no need to thank us for the content, though that would be good manners to do so. > [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Overall, I consider Code.'s code to be a joke and an excuse to gank by roleplaying. What’s sad is you don’t need an excuse to gank, just hull up and do it… roleplaying in an MMORPG whats the world come to !!! . Though i often claim we dont Roleplay in EVE we in fact play a role which is quite different. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/193 "2020-09-20T21:21:20Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > We do recommend the purchase of a permit it will make you feel so much better about yourself. I feel better keeping my ISK for myself. Thanks though. > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > when i joined EVE one of the main rules of EVE alongside don’t undock in something you are not prepared to lose was if you find yourself in a fair fight you have screwed up. Those rules haven’t change. > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > Ganking is in fact a fight its just that the victim couldn’t be bothered to prepare for it and that’s not our fault, if the victim thinks its unfair they lost they should have followed the Code Whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better. I don’t need someone to tell me ‘gf’ after I ganked them; but I don’t need someone to stroke my ego… > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > so you enjoy our content and join in, no need to thank us for the content, though that would be good manners to do so. As I said, you’re an important part of our ecosystem. And I don’t thank my catfish for cleaning my aquarium; after all, he’s doing his part. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/194 "2020-09-20T21:26:30Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Nor would I ‘gf’ anyone after a gank; I expect people to hull up and accept getting ganked, but ganking isn’t a fight. About 99% of the PvP that happens in the game isn’t a fight. Outside some rare cases like two opposing FW pilots meeting each other in a site, or an occasional ratter getting caught by a ship class-outmatched solo pirate, the engagements in EVE come down to one side having absolute superiority over another. Even when big fleets engage each other, that’s _still_ true; one side goes into that battle knowing fully well that they’ll win. Just because the other side shoots back doesn’t make it a “good fight” by any stretch of imagination. It’s a completely meaningless thing to say, and when you think about it, in most cases actually _insulting_. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/195 "2020-09-20T21:30:44Z")
Well, there was that one Pandemic Legion vs Goonswarm supercap fight where PL _would_ have won, but their pilots were too afraid to log in… ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/196 "2020-09-20T21:32:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s a completely meaningless thing to say, and when you think about it, in most cases actually _insulting_ . I pretty much agree with everything you said… except for maybe what I just quoted. But I also live in J-space which is different from K-space. I’ll ‘gf’ people who got me with a really good bait out, because they did a good job getting me with bait. And I don’t mean it negatively, I like to think of myself as pretty careful about being baited… and if they get me, they deserve a congrats for it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/197 "2020-09-20T21:33:29Z")
Ah, yes, wormholes. I’m quite familiar with those: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/6/a6cd2d876cc4f977cf6e6b47ef8b60234920e144.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/198 "2020-09-20T21:34:42Z")
Sorry, I’m not a member of one of those huge wormhole corps. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/199 "2020-09-21T07:54:06Z")
Yeah, you are from one of those wormhole groups that has a killboard full of kills against new players in exploration frigates (not to mention a fair number of Ventures): [https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98611445/reset/group/25/losses/](https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98611445/reset/group/25/losses/) It’s amazing how hypocritical some players can be when they decide they are the “good guy” (come on, you are broadcasting your self conception as a white knight with that corp name) excusing their actions as righteous, while condemning others that do the same. At least CODE. mostly goes after rich, complacent veterans. Last month they had 630B ISK destruction over 3500 kills, so ~180M ISK/kill on average. Your corp’s killboard is full of weeks-old capsuleers in noob mining and exploration fits. I hope you are as kind to these newbros you slaughter as the good people at CODE. and explain what happened and how they can improve at the game. Not only do agents reach out directly to any new players exploded, the organization’s foundational document codifies these lessons and has helped many a miner see what they can do to be a better Eve player, and to be a better person in general. ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/200 "2020-09-21T10:14:58Z")
Code from the perspective of non-roleplayer: Suicide gankers. That’s it. That’s all. Everything else is just role play which you can either participate in or not. ---
**Author:** ![Sexy\_Shower\_Time](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sexy_shower_time/32/259267_2.png) [@Sexy\_Shower\_Time](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sexy_Shower_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/201 "2020-09-21T11:40:32Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > That’s it. That’s all. Oh boy, you have no idea… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=11)