# CODE: From the Perspective of a Non-Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, pvp, high-sec\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638 "2020-07-30T18:19:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/202 "2020-09-21T13:12:26Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > It’s amazing how hypocritical some players can be when they decide they are the “good guy” (come on, you are broadcasting your self conception as a white knight with that corp name) excusing their actions as righteous, while condemning others that do the same. Actually, the name of the corp comes from the movie Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze; our founders are big fans of cult classics. And where did I condemn anyone for ganking. Pretty sure I said they were an important part of Eve’s ecosystem. The only thing I condemn is the use of the excuse they are roleplaying as a reason to gank. If you want to gank, just gank. Don’t hide behind silly reasons and justifications. > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Yeah, you are from one of those wormhole groups that has a killboard full of kills against new players in exploration frigates (not to mention a fair number of Ventures): First of all, welcome to Eve where high reward activities are supposed to be high risk. Considering one or two data or relic sites can pay for the ship doing the activity, I’d consider that to be a pretty high reward activity… and thus the high risk that goes with it: the dangers of wormhole space and those of us who reside in it. And full is a pretty broad term… check any wormhole PvP corp and you’ll find similar killboards. Again, the nature of wormhole space. And again, considering in less than 2 hours, they can refund the cost of their ship, I don’t feel much sympathy. No other activity (hi sec mining might come close) has that sort of return on investment. > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > I hope you are as kind to these newbros you slaughter as the good people at CODE. and explain what happened and how they can improve at the game. We generally do reach out to those we gank… and depending on their attitude, we will likely help them out. If they get salty and upset about it, we cut the discussion and leave. This is how most Eve corps handle it: take it well and you get help; get salty and get nothing. Salty and upset people won’t listen, so I won’t waste my time with them. And sometimes, we just give them ISK without talking to them. I know for a fact we gave a guy more ISK than he lost because he was super cool about what happened. We also gave him some general advice. You make assumptions about how we handle our business… which are wrong and you accuse me of being self righteous. _checks your corp killboard_ wow, 11 corvettes and 5 shuttles on the first page of kills. And you want to imply I’m a hypocrite… yeah, whatever. > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Not only do agents reach out directly to any new players exploded, the organization’s foundational document codifies these lessons and has helped many a miner see what they can do to be a better Eve player, and to be a better person in general. Yeah… their code includes give us ISK. Just look a few posts up about how it’s supposed to make me feel better… and you accuse me of going after newbies? That’s laughable. If your corp can afford 100s of gank catalysts, it doesn’t need money from miners in Ventures. Or even T1 mining barges. But again, I think gankers are an important part of our ecosystem. Thank you for your input, why don’t you go and get your corp together and kill another corvette? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/203 "2020-09-21T13:17:06Z")
The funniest thing about all these “CODE griefer!!” crybaby threads is that the permavictims role play righteous white knights while telling the Code guys that role playing has no place in a sci-fi spaceship game. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/204 "2020-09-21T14:28:13Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > eah… their code includes give us ISK. Just look a few posts up about how it’s supposed to make me feel better… and you accuse me of going after newbies? That’s laughable. If your corp can afford 100s of gank catalysts, it do Carebears need to create their own version of CODE. Basically, the intent would be to “grief” CODE. members. They could roll around in gangs of mining barges, find areas where CODE. operates, and then quickly mine out the asteroid belts from under CODE.'s noses before the gankers can react. They could even sell “ganking passes” to CODE.; if a ganking pass is bought, then the sellers would dock up and go AFK in the station, which would allow CODE. the opportunity to go after other targets, because they’d no longer be preoccupied with ganking _these_ ones, who would leave the belts while yelling “CODE. ALERT! CODE. ALERT!” the second CODE. shows up in their systems/belts. Maybe they can call the alliance “CRY.” or something. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/205 "2020-09-21T14:38:41Z")
Yeah… except that everybody with a sense of humor is already on Code’s side. The highsec miners prefer to scowl and mutter, rather than goof off and play around. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/206 "2020-09-21T15:25:08Z")
They’re just trying to supply the economy, you sociopathic ingrate. A griefer like you will never understand that. All you do is try to wreck the economy by destroying things, instead of helping build a prosperous universe by fulfilling your industrial obligations. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/207 "2020-09-21T15:36:07Z")
A Golem in every hangar? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/208 "2020-09-21T15:42:20Z")
There are four races, and with two of each marauder (one spare), that’s eight big, expensive ships. And that’s just one ship type! So it’s easy to see that gankbear griefers are actually lying about the game needing all that destruction, since it would take almost an infinite amount of time to get everything! ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/209 "2020-09-21T18:58:22Z")
Any kill made in WH is a legit kill, It is meat to be dangerous space with high rewards for success. So in risk to success ratio risk also needs to be high to justify it. And average kill value for code you guys just keep shoving in everyone’s face is bogus. Yes CODE has high value kills, legit kills. Like blowing up transports at Jita border systems hauling couple of Bill worth of goods. So if you have a few kills like that worth some 30- 50 bill (example) and coupe dozen Venture kills each worth 2 mill each, you say you have 180 mill average kill when that is simply not true. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/210 "2020-09-21T19:39:39Z")
Averages are now based on moral principles. New 2020 rule #349 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/211 "2020-09-21T19:58:15Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > Any kill made in WH is a legit kill, It is meat to be dangerous space with high rewards for success. So in risk to success ratio risk also needs to be high to justify it. > And average kill value for code you guys just keep shoving in everyone’s face is bogus. Yes CODE has high value kills, legit kills. Like blowing up transports at Jita border systems hauling couple of Bill worth of goods. > So if you have a few kills like that worth some 30- 50 bill (example) and coupe dozen Venture kills each worth 2 mill each, you say you have 180 mill average kill when that is simply not true. Yikes. I thought you were reasonable, but nope, I guess blind outrage won over at the end of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/212 "2020-09-21T20:07:58Z")
Any argument to support that claim? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/213 "2020-09-21T20:30:05Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > So if you have a few kills like that worth some 30- 50 bill (example) and coupe dozen Venture kills each worth 2 mill each, you say you have 180 mill average kill when that is simply not true. This is how averages work… Sorry DC hit the wrong reply button :doh: ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/214 "2020-09-21T20:54:12Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > Any kill made in WH is a legit kill, It is meat to be dangerous space with high rewards for success. So in risk to success ratio risk also needs to be high to justify it. I really get confused as to this logic. Newbros are so fragile that they can’t be exploded or they’ll quit… unless they are in wormhole space where then it is totally cool, if not important for you to do so? And further, if it’s important for high rewards to come with high risk, shouldn’t CODE. impose those risks on players flying around in multi-billion ISK ships while not at their keyboard? It is mostly players in rich, overloaded/undertanked ships get exploded by CODE. and groups like them. Don’t they need to be called on their risk taking too? It take a uniquely distorted view of the game to be for newbro killing and risk vs. reward in one sector of space, but be totally against newbro killing and the imposing consequences on risk takers in another sector of space. > [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > And average kill value for code you guys just keep shoving in everyone’s face is bogus. Yes CODE has high value kills, legit kills. Like blowing up transports at Jita border systems hauling couple of Bill worth of goods. > So if you have a few kills like that worth some 30- 50 bill (example) and coupe dozen Venture kills each worth 2 mill each, you say you have 180 mill average kill when that is simply not true. I guess this is some sort of New Math. An average is an average. Sure, there are big kills and small kills (and often a bunch of empty pods bringing down the average), but the point still stands that CODE., like pretty much everyone everywhere likes to explode the more expensive ships, which are mostly piloted by veteran players who are there primary targets. They at least do this way more often than @Phelan_Kheldian there and his wormhole corp whose primary content outside of Abyssal PvP arenas is to regularly explode hapless new players that they stumble across. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/215 "2020-09-21T21:10:44Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > They at least do this way more often than @Phelan_Kheldian there and his wormhole corp whose primary content outside of Abyssal PvP arenas is to regularly explode hapless new players that they stumble across. That’s funny considering your corp’s killboard. I have to go to page 3 to find a kill that isn’t a structure, corvette, shuttle, or T1 explorer… oh, you have some fighter kills with PIRAT… from April 5th. Our last combat kill (outside of arenas) was today. Prior to that, we had several on the 20th (yeaterday) including a manticore, stratios, Omen Navy Issue. On the 17th, we got a Gila, double Brutux, and Sabre. That’s a lot of recent kills (especially compared to your corp) this month. You’re a pretty big hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/216 "2020-09-21T21:18:23Z")
look at my corp killboard our newbros explode things 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/217 "2020-09-21T21:18:26Z")
I just don’t know who to believe! Will the real elite PVPer please step forward? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/218 "2020-09-21T21:20:18Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Will the real elite PVPer please step forward? i dont want to brag ms @xeux ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/219 "2020-09-21T21:31:40Z")
So, is it okay to kill newbros in highsec? In wormholes? On a train? In the rain? Is it okay to kill newbros in a venture? In a barge? Flying afk? When they step away? Is it okay to kill newbros when in Code? Or if they snoop around your abode? Is the arena the true test of skill? Or is it the mark of a poseur still? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/220 "2020-09-21T21:33:11Z")
NICE 😃 you are a poet btw i did a totaly l33t expert KB analisys and it apear to me that mr @Black_Pedro is better at pvp tham mr @Phelan_Kheldian ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/221 "2020-09-21T21:37:24Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > And further, if it’s important for high rewards to come with high risk, shouldn’t CODE. impose those risks on players flying around in multi-billion ISK ships while not at their keyboard? that constitutes as a legit kill > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > I guess this is some sort of New Math. An average is an average. Yes, in “one person eats Peanut Butter, other person eats Jelly, they eat PB&J on average” point of view lol [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=12)