# CODE: From the Perspective of a Non-Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638 "2020-07-30T18:19:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/242 "2020-09-21T22:26:23Z")
So you agree theres no problem destroying low value ships. Look you either agree or you disagree. Claiming a third line is not productive. I fail to see what he’s being a hypocrit about. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/243 "2020-09-21T22:28:19Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > Funny I don’t feel ridiculed at all, but you are using the term average kill value. Which again implies the value of your average kill. Painting a much nicer picture than the actual truth. You should refrain from doing so and just state the overall value. The actual truth is that if you look at the kill board, you’ll see that Ventures make up around 5% of the kills. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/244 "2020-09-21T22:29:23Z")
Phelan and Vixie are too good for Code - they are just having trouble explaining how. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/245 "2020-09-21T22:30:29Z")
While thank you 😊 how nice that someone finally noticed ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/246 "2020-09-21T22:44:11Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The reality is that when we normalize the kills on a curve, most kills will hover close to the average value, but somewhat below it, because upper-end outliers have no limit. T do that you would have to get the average of every group of kills of similar value, and extrapolate the average out of that. Correct? Still doesn’t show the actual picture but it’s much closer. So it’s a bit more to it than just taking the whole worth and dividing it with number of kills. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/247 "2020-09-21T22:48:32Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So you agree theres no problem destroying no value ships. I don’t have a problem with it. Never said I did… Pretty sure I’ve said gankers are an important part of Eve’s ecosystem. _looks through his posts_ Yep, I said that. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I fail to see what he’s being a hypocrit about. I find it pretty hypocritical of someone to call my corp’s primary content ganking when his corp exclusively ganks… seriously not a combat ship since April and our primary content is ganking? That’s pretty hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/248 "2020-09-21T22:49:38Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Phelan and Vixie are too good for Code - they are just having trouble explaining how. Nah, I’m worse than CODE.; I don’t appear on Local. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/249 "2020-09-21T22:50:27Z")
CCP is phasing local out as each patch brings more bugs. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/250 "2020-09-21T22:51:44Z")
Does CODE even operate in WH? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/251 "2020-09-21T22:53:20Z")
The Code is everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/252 "2020-09-21T22:55:09Z")
The region I’m in must not be cool enough than, dang it ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/253 "2020-09-21T22:55:10Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > Does CODE even operate in WH? Not that I know of. Probe launchers take up space that could be used for a turret on a Catalyst or Thrasher… And then they’d have to scan down the sites and wait for someone to pop up. While I think they have the patience for it; I think they’d rather spend it getting easier pickings near trading hubs and in ganking systems like Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/254 "2020-09-21T22:57:59Z")
Why work extra for your kills when idiots will feed you a higher average ISK per kill while you sit in the same system all day? ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/255 "2020-09-21T23:01:08Z")
So anyone who’s not in CODE is an idiot than? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/256 "2020-09-21T23:02:57Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > So anyone who’s not in CODE is an idiot than No, the people flying multi-billion-ISK lossmails into known ganking systems are. Why work harder when idiots are so determined to make your job easy? ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/257 "2020-09-21T23:06:06Z")
Because known ganking systems are, surprisingly, often on the way to major trade hubs. That doesn’t make them idiots, just risk takers. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/258 "2020-09-21T23:07:13Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > That doesn’t make them idiots, just risk takers. It makes them idiots when the risk is as high as it is, and the counter (keeping your ship value below the point where a gank is profitable) is so effective. And when we’re talking about expensive PvE farming ships then it’s pure idiocy, a T2 fit works just fine at 1% of the cost. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/259 "2020-09-21T23:12:16Z")
People like shiny stuff. Would you really like everyone to fly around in cheap ships? Why even have expensive faction bling in game than? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/260 "2020-09-21T23:14:21Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > Would you really like everyone to fly around in cheap ships? No, of course not. The existence of stupid people generating expensive lossmails is good comedy. But that doesn’t make them any less stupid. > Why even have expensive faction bling in game than? For PvP, and for PvE players who are smart enough not to lose it. And as an intelligence test for highsec PvE farmers. But TBH I wouldn’t really care if CCP removed all of it, it’s a leftover from the old days of CCP including standard MMO genre conventions like purple loot or the attribute system and it doesn’t really fit in the modern game. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/261 "2020-09-21T23:17:30Z")
Idk, I kinda like variety in game. But calling someone stupid is harsh, could be they can’t be bothered too look stuff up, or they are not really invested in the game, or simply do not care. Maybe bad players, still doesn’t make someone stupid. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=14)