# CODE: From the Perspective of a Non-Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, pvp, high-sec\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638 "2020-07-30T18:19:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/282 "2020-09-22T00:06:04Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > That’s called being ignorant, and being ignorant is even _worse_ that being stupid. At least stupid can be fixed. > > think it’s the other way around, you can fix ignorance with learning, stupid is incapable of learning therefor unfixable I guess that depends on local etymology. I’m used to “stupid” meaning “lacking knowledge” and “ignorant” being “refusing to learn,” but I can see how the two are interchangeable depending on local language trends. > [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > really? it’s not obvious from that text it is an example? Examples still have to be _valid_, otherwise, you’re just [lying with statistics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics). > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > to be fair i personally am dragging down the Code average by popping shuttles /rookie ships to get at the juicy pod goo inside, which for many years has been mostly empty. i suggest if you removed my kills from the CODE kills i would expect the average isk per kill to jump up massively. And i do mean a massive jump as i have killed a lot 🙂 Lowering the bar, one Wilhelm scream at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/283 "2020-09-22T00:06:47Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i have a policy for some time , i DON’T shoot rookie ships ,shuttles and ventures > the dude can stop in front of me, ill not shoot him > tired of loosing standing for shooting dam noobs how will you kill their pod if you dont kill their ship first ? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/284 "2020-09-22T00:07:34Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > how will you kill their pod if you dont kill their ship first ? i let them go, tired of you lost - X standing with the university of the space hobos etc ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/285 "2020-09-22T00:08:51Z")
Buttt !!! the pod is usually the best part of the kill, you kill a 5 mill ship then kill his 2 bill pod !!! \o/ why let it go ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/286 "2020-09-22T00:10:58Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > Buttt !!! the pod is usually the best part of the kill, you kill a 5 mill ship then kill his 2 bill pod !!! \o/ why let it go i understand were you come from but i don’t even pod people that much it ■■■■ my security status , i don’t have alts, I’m not a pirate , I’m a amarr soldier if i refrain to pod i can be shooting people left and right in low for months before the -2 (and having to pay 100 milion to concord to be ok again ) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/287 "2020-09-22T00:11:28Z")
I once smartbombed a 15-odd group of war targets on a mining op (they were actually trying to bait me), and one of their pods had like 1.5 billion worth of pirate implants inside. People put the darnedest things inside their heads… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/946cc1385aa4a6934fdfa3775cc8d388bafa81c2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/288 "2020-09-22T00:11:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Examples still have to be _valid_ , otherwise, you’re just [lying with statistics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics). Have to be valid unless they are just hypothetical as a means to simplify what you are trying to say. Bat I do see your point and will be sure to explicitly note that in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/289 "2020-09-22T00:12:46Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > Have to be valid unless they are just hypothetical as a means to simplify what you are trying to say. It’s not reasonable to talk about something objective (e.g. discussing tangible kill board data), and then make hypothetical examples. You don’t need hypotheticals because the real data is right there… ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/290 "2020-09-22T00:19:43Z")
yeah lol id normally go folk are dumb, but my scout alt had a 4 bill pod and id forgot about it , the ag types ganked his ship 3 times after id got a bit tipsy (over more than one night i admit) . he got fail ganked 4 times in one of those nights before the 4th attempt killed him in an untanked frigate in a 0.5 lol, seriously it took 4 attempts to kill an untanked disposable gank frig in a 0.5 while i was sleeping on the keyboard but they still failed to pod him , you know who you are and now you know what you missed 🙂 and yes i was dumb for passing out on my keyboard but lol the fail of ag to make anything from this is classic ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/291 "2020-09-22T00:21:58Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s not reasonable to talk about something objective (e.g. discussing tangible kill board data), and then make hypothetical examples. You don’t need hypotheticals because the real data is right there… Well that’s neat, so to make my point I would have to what, drag couple of hundred CODE kills from ZKILL here? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/292 "2020-09-22T00:23:48Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > after id got a bit tipsy (over more than one night i admit) . My BAC is around .10 pretty much _all_ the time, and it’s the only way I can get through work, and, quite frankly, this game and its forum. > [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > It’s not reasonable to talk about something objective (e.g. discussing tangible kill board data), and then make hypothetical examples. You don’t need hypotheticals because the real data is right there… > > Well that’s neat, so to make my point I would have to what, drag couple of hundred CODE kills from ZKILL here? That’s exactly what I did to calculate my conclusions, so yeah, why not? I literally took a sample of the first 30-ish pages or so. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/293 "2020-09-22T00:24:57Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > People put the darnedest things inside their heads… i killed a minmatar WT , she was in a algos i usually don’t pod but she was a WT so no loss to me 1 bil pod lol and she is a good pilot we fight from time to time edit: ![Captura de Tela 2020-09-21 às 21.30.33](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/3/13b4145fe3ca1d515da270144ae48b20439af23a.png) found it ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/294 "2020-09-22T00:25:19Z")
also there’s a 18 bill bustard kill on the first page lol ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/295 "2020-09-22T00:28:20Z")
ok 18 bill bustard, that you claim are oh so rare and how I cheat on statistics, well this is fact [https://zkillboard.com/kill/87247951/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/87247951/) how does that work in to your statistics? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/296 "2020-09-22T00:33:10Z")
I am confused, you seem to be posting links to expensive lossmails by rich idiots and this is somehow supposed to prove that CODE. is killing mostly newbies? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/297 "2020-09-22T00:34:12Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > ok 18 bill bustard, that you claim are oh so rare and how I cheat on statistics, well this is fact [Bustard | Seam Daigon | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/87247951/) > how does that work in to your statistics? Once again, you’re cherry-picking data. That’s the most expensive kill in over at _least_ a week. The fifth most expensive kill drops to a quarter of that value. But over that period of time, CODE. has made about a thousand kills. No one’s denying that CODE. kills expensive-ass haulers, or Ventures (about 75 Venture kills over the past 10-ish days). But you’re picking out these data points, and trying to pass them off as the _whole_, while ignoring the hundreds of other kills that make up the bulk of CODE.'s activity. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/298 "2020-09-22T00:34:20Z")
[https://zkillboard.com/kill/87258408/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/87258408/) so that’s close to 30 bill in 2 kills, really not far of my “unreasonable” hypothetical example ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/299 "2020-09-22T00:37:53Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Once again, you’re cherry-picking data. That’s the most expensive kill in over at _least_ a week. The fifth most expensive kill drops to a quarter of that value. But over that period of time, CODE. has made about a thousand kills. > > No one’s denying that CODE. kills expensive-ass haulers, or Ventures (about 75 Venture kills over the past 10-ish days). But you’re picking out these data points, and trying to pass them off as the _whole_ , while ignoring the hundreds of other kills that make up the bulk of CODE.'s activity. I am not trying to pass them as a whole, I am just validating a hypothetical example I made earlier, that you claimed it is “unreasonable”. I would ask you to extend the same curtasy than and show me the actual data. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/300 "2020-09-22T00:44:51Z")
Sigh. I wonder if I can ask Squizz for a 7-day data dump so that I can do an actual probability distribution and regression analysis. Right now, it’s just a few kill board pages pasted into Excel, and quick calculations using COUNT, AVERAGE, and the like formulas. So look, there’s only a few multi-billion kills there. And a few dozen Venture/Corvette kills, and triple-digits of empty pods. The average kill value comes out to a hundred-odd million. There really isn’t that much to it. If you scroll through the first couple of pages, you’ll be able to get a wide-angle view on CODE.'s activities. Don’t just jump to the kill record of the week like you’re doing right now. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/301 "2020-09-22T00:48:35Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I wonder if I can ask Squizz for a 7-day data dump so that I can do an actual probability distribution and regression analysis. Right now, it’s just a few kill board pages pasted into Excel, and quick calculations using COUNT, AVERAGE, and the like formulas. Yet you ask that of me to validate what I am saying and calling a hypothetical unreasonable. I do understand that thing are not as black and white as that, and was simply offering opposing standpoint. My whole point was that there are few multibill isk kills, but they do drasticly alter the average value. That is the point you dismissed out of hand claiming I don’t know what I’m talking about. Frankly I’m not willing to spend several days on research just to iron out the math for you. I do have other things to do in life… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638.md?page=16)