# CODE: From the Perspective of a Non-Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [July 30, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638 "2020-07-30T18:19:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/22 "2020-07-31T17:00:55Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > They’re certainly no worse for the game than any number of other merc corps, wardec corps, farming corps, bot corps, or “farm null til the game dies” corps. I mean, you just encompassed the entirety of the player base with that description, so I guess _everyone_ in EVE is a rotting skunk? I don’t think there are any demographics left into which you can classify any other players… ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/23 "2020-07-31T17:13:30Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > …_everyone_ in EVE is a rotting skunk? Ya know…that is fair enough, probably… > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > No protection, no code, just a lame clump of weak PvPers looking for some way to pretend they’re doing something more significant in the game than picking completely safe targets to gank. > > If one of their losers decides he wants to gank you, he’ll say your license check came back as invalid, whoops sorry. Or you broke a rule. Or you looked at him wrong. > > Despite the fact that I have about as low an opinion of code trash as it’s possible to have, they are in fact playing by the rules, roleplaying when it suits them and just plain ganking when it doesn’t. They’re certainly no worse for the game than any number of other merc corps, wardec corps, farming corps, bot corps, or “farm null til the game dies” corps. > > Kind of like a dead rotting skunk in the backyard, you just avoid them when you can, and if you can’t, just deal with the fact that the smell of having them near is gonna make you gag. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/7/d790d0e6a5d9abe40d6db71dd007eb7a5b9678c8.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/tHewFWW) My goodness, all that just from losing a venture! “Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose” very much includes affording emotionally. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/24 "2020-07-31T18:38:10Z")
James has his hands full with losing his ‘fortress’ atm… ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/25 "2020-07-31T19:52:54Z")
You could argue CCP encourages CODE to gank with game mechanics. All they have to do is fleet warp their group on top of you. Please name any other game where controlling the movement on a whole bunch of accounts at the exact same time is built into the game itself? Its irony, on one hand they say they don’t promote 1 button inputs with isboxer, but on the other they create a 1 button input of their own so they can say “look how pretty that is, all those ships flying together”. Oh and look its a mechanic that is always used in ganking, o gee i wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/26 "2020-07-31T20:03:28Z")
Carebears have this amazing persecution complex that makes them think that any quality-of-life change put into the game was _specifically_ intended by CCP to be a boost to ganking, at the expense and suffering of honest, hardworking miners everywhere. It’s adorable. 😸 ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/27 "2020-07-31T20:08:16Z")
Its not intended, but it is hypocritical to attack botters while providing 1 button inputs of your own. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/28 "2020-07-31T20:16:51Z")
Fleet warp was created in order to allow a fleet of various ships, which have different warp speeds, to arrive at their destination at the same time. It was not made specifically so that ganking would be more efficient. Also, are you seriously defending botters right now? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/29 "2020-07-31T20:17:58Z")
If fleet warping was gone tomorrow, i don’t think it would be code kicking up a fuss. They just use the tools that are there. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/30 "2020-07-31T20:31:17Z")
I am not trying to defend botting but i am trying to point out fleet warp is pretty indistinguishable from 1 button isboxer for warping. ---
**Author:** ![Sexy\_Shower\_Time](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sexy_shower_time/32/259267_2.png) [@Sexy\_Shower\_Time](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sexy_Shower_Time)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/31 "2020-07-31T20:36:09Z")
Don’t mind me, I’m just here to enjoy all the tears :partyparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/32 "2020-07-31T20:36:33Z")
That’s like saying that a boxing match inside a ring is pretty indistinguishable from a bare-knuckle street fight in a back alley. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/33 "2020-07-31T20:40:23Z")
1 boxing gloves 2 concrete ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/34 "2020-07-31T21:29:13Z")
Talk about stretching… Fleetwarp is to botting what a vacuum cleaner is to a blackhole. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/35 "2020-07-31T21:47:50Z")
Fleet warp has mechanics in place that take the slowest ship speed and apply it to the entire fleet, so they will arrive together and can operate functionally as a group. This is not the same as input broadcasting ‘warp to target’ on those 50 unique ships. Do bots potentially benefit from fleet warp? Yes. Does that make fleet warp bad? No. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/36 "2020-07-31T21:52:14Z")
The latter two suck; just like his comparison. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/37 "2020-07-31T22:06:00Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Does that make fleet warp bad? No. no fleet warp is not bad per se but i have a IRL friend that cannot access the distance of his ship from other ships and have more than 3 TRILLIONS with a T in kills on zkill and he made me jump 30 jumps to play ONE arena with me, and got back do delve , “to find a good fit”, never to be seen again until 2v2 cruiser event ended 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/38 "2020-07-31T22:38:22Z")
I have no idea why you think that is relevant to warp speed in fleet maneuvers? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/39 "2020-07-31T23:17:14Z")
??? cant understand edit: i think you don’t get my point im saying that now that the fc can move warp approach etc the fleet members one can have a very impressive number o kills without knowing much about the game mechanics edit: and calling my IRL friend a null bear 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/40 "2020-07-31T23:27:02Z")
How is it not the same thing if it does the exact same thing? ---
**Author:** ![GodkingAuktavius\_Caesar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/godkingauktavius_caesar/32/347674_2.png) [@GodkingAuktavius\_Caesar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GodkingAuktavius_Caesar)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code-from-the-perspective-of-a-non-miner/257638/41 "2020-07-31T23:40:26Z")
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