# CODE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 18, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391 "2018-11-18T13:14:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sly\_Chakaid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sly_chakaid/32/107193_2.png) [@sly\_Chakaid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sly_Chakaid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/1 "2018-11-18T13:14:03Z")
Not a whine or cry so dont get your hopes up lol Been away from the game for little while and i have noticed that CODE dont hassle miners in ice belts like they used to ?? Has a new group taken over the griefing ? Also where did the goonies go ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/2 "2018-11-18T13:35:07Z")
Depends how long you’ve been gone. ---
**Author:** ![sly\_Chakaid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sly_chakaid/32/107193_2.png) [@sly\_Chakaid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sly_Chakaid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/3 "2018-11-18T13:48:34Z")
Well this is an obvious alt but gone for just over 2 years ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/4 "2018-11-18T14:14:37Z")
Orcas have been changed so that they can mine quite well with drones. You’ll see lots of miners using them afk and they are very difficult to gank. Freighters had a big ehp buff as well around 2 years ago-ish. People use them as ore haulers from belts more often now. Ontop of that, high sec pvp in general is lower than it used to be. Players losing interest. But you’ll still find gankers at choke points on trade routes. So it’s not completely dead yet. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/5 "2018-11-18T16:05:29Z")
> [@sly\_Chakaid](#): > > Been away from the game for little while and i have noticed that CODE dont hassle miners in ice belts like they used to ?? Not sure. CODE. still killed 2.2T ISK worth of stuff last month and is dunking miners on the daily: > **[CODE. | Alliance](https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/kills/)** > > CODE.: 399,036 ships destroyed and 154,653 ships lost. I’d say, it’s just a matter of time until they visit you at whatever ice belt you are hanging out at. Keep mining! ---
**Author:** ![GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garegin_nzhdeh/32/343579_2.png) [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GAREGIN_NZHDEH)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/6 "2018-11-18T16:25:48Z")
The goons got beat back into delve during WW-bee but are alive and very well and oh so busy so won’t bee long before they come buzzing out so just keep an eye on the economic reports because when there’s a drop in the amount of Indy in delve probably means they are massing. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/7 "2018-11-18T18:17:13Z")
> [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](#): > > when there’s a drop in the amount of Indy in delve probably means they are massing. That makes no sense. Why would indy in delve drop if we are massing? It would rise, because we would need to stock up on our dreads and supers and titans. ---
**Author:** ![Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lokajit_nakrar/32/515858_2.png) [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lokajit_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/8 "2018-11-18T18:23:06Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Why would indy in delve drop if we are massing? Because less freight would be arriving ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/9 "2018-11-18T18:27:15Z")
> [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](#): > > Because less freight would be arriving What? What do you mean by freight. Freighting what? We make our own ships by mining our own ore, and we have Blueprints for everything. We are amazing at industry. Best in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lokajit_nakrar/32/515858_2.png) [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lokajit_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/10 "2018-11-18T18:31:47Z")
@Solonius_Rex Ok freight was too generic. When pilots shift from indy to gank standby, a decrease in indy activity in delve will be noticeable. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/11 "2018-11-18T18:32:49Z")
> [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](#): > > When pilots shift from indy to gank standby, a decrease in indy activity in delve will be noticeable. Again, why? We dont gank with our indy alts. I can multibox 100 rorquals and still have an alt or two waiting to gank. ---
**Author:** ![Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lokajit_nakrar/32/515858_2.png) [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lokajit_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/12 "2018-11-18T18:36:14Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Again, why? Because you will be on gank standby. You won’t be able to manage the indy alts as well with an additional gank alt you need to keep track of. Mining isn’t accounted for in the # of indy jobs btw ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/13 "2018-11-18T18:40:14Z")
> [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](#): > > Because you will be on gank standby. Do you understand what the word “Standby” means? It means sitting in the station, doing nothing. And then, do you know how long a gank takes? Do you know how long you have to wait in between ganks? > [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](#): > > Mining isn’t accounted for in the # of indy jobs btw What else could possibly be more active and need more attention, than mining? What are you reffering to, when you speak about Indy? I can queue up 10 blueprints to be completed in 2 days, in 10 minutes. I can process minerals in an instant. I can move a bunch of minerals in 5 minutes. What other aspect of Indy are you reffering to, if not mining? ---
**Author:** ![Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lokajit_nakrar/32/515858_2.png) [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lokajit_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/14 "2018-11-18T18:42:19Z")
@Solonius_Rex Number of jobs started statistics Addition: basically any viewable statistic related to indy ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/15 "2018-11-18T18:44:35Z")
> [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](#): > > Number of jobs started statistics By jobs started, are you reffering to using a blueprint to build modules/ships? ---
**Author:** ![Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lokajit_nakrar/32/515858_2.png) [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lokajit_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/16 "2018-11-18T18:44:58Z")
Yes @Solonius_Rex ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/17 "2018-11-18T18:45:50Z")
> [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](#): > > Yes That takes like 20 seconds for one alt to queue up 10 jobs. This is the least time-consuming aspect of building things. And in case youve never built anything in your life, you dont need to actively do anything while a module/ship is being built. ---
**Author:** ![Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lokajit_nakrar/32/515858_2.png) [@Lokajit\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lokajit_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/18 "2018-11-18T18:52:36Z")
@Solonius_Rex Maybe indy statistics aren’t the best indicator. Here is another indicator: number of jumps in the: 1-SMEB system? If the jumps spike - that indicates a massing? ---
**Author:** ![Ryll\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ryll_spice/32/101009_2.png) [@Ryll\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ryll_Spice)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/19 "2018-11-18T19:28:14Z")
Probably just means fleet is moving thru. Goons can easily field 2-3 256 man fleets with no effect on indy or mining. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391/20 "2018-11-18T19:42:24Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Orcas have been changed so that they can mine quite well with drones. You’ll see lots of miners using them afk and they are very difficult to gank. Orcas are not difficult to gank, it just requires a lot of DPS. But if you can field that amount of DPS you can also kill freighters. And the loot drops from (properly scanned) freighters are a lot better. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/code/121391.md?page=2)