# Combat and DED Sites Fits for T3C After Changes **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [July 11, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615 "2017-07-11T10:37:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Indy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andrew_indy/32/13108_2.png) [@Andrew\_Indy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andrew_Indy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/21 "2017-07-18T09:01:00Z")
The Reason you would use a armor Loki over shields is the resistance pattern. For EM/Therm you just cant really beat Minnie Armor fits, if you are flying against Therm/Kin/Explo the shield fits are better. Also regarding the Tengu, it get a better range bonus and more DPS in missiles so it depends on wether you like lights or more missile DPS. ---
**Author:** ![Francis\_Raven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/francis_raven/32/478168_2.png) [@Francis\_Raven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Francis_Raven)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/22 "2017-07-18T12:37:19Z")
Anyone have a new tengu fit? ---
**Author:** ![Zhilia\_Mann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhilia_mann/32/214674_2.png) [@Zhilia\_Mann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhilia_Mann)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/23 "2017-07-19T05:14:02Z")
> [@Zhilia\_Mann](#): > > [Loki, exploration armor] > > Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer > Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer > Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer > Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer > Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane > Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane > > Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner > Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script > Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script > > 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M > 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M > 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M > 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M > 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M > Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe > Covert Ops Cloaking Device II > [Empty High slot] > > Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II > Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I > [Empty Rig slot] > > Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor > Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration > Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array > Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Finally got to test this in my normal stomping grounds. Verdict: _excellent_ for Annexes. _Very_ bad for BR 6/10 due to how Crimson Lord repairs. Lower volley/higher sustained simply works far better there. I’ll stick to my Legion for now and possibly try the missile sub just to see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Zhilia\_Mann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhilia_mann/32/214674_2.png) [@Zhilia\_Mann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhilia_Mann)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/24 "2017-07-19T05:33:42Z")
Something like this looks more than adequate: [Tengu, explo killer] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster Thukker Large Cap Battery Missile Guidance Computer II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Upgrade the tank to A/X and even without swapping to hardeners you’re looking at something ludicrous like 870 rat-specific DPS tanked while dishing 700 with CN and 825 with Rage. As long as you’re ok shooting kinetic this looks pretty ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/25 "2017-07-19T08:31:48Z")
> [@Mykal\_Day](#): > > > [@Zhilia\_Mann](#): > > > > Still don’t like the look of 32 second align but it’s an interesting concept. > > 32… second… that’s crazy. Is that with the 100MN AB running? I have to imagine the allign time drops significantly if you’re out of AB cycle. Yes, that is with AB running. The 100MN AB is ideal for Loki, as it capitalizes on the speed/sig of this particular T3C as Minnie. Unusually, Lokis are now better as missile ships. Especially as you don’t cripple your own tracking at high speeds as you do with AC/Arty. PLUS you get more drone bandwidth/bay. (?!) ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Benneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matt_benneth/32/189102_2.png) [@Matt\_Benneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matt_Benneth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/26 "2017-07-19T09:24:58Z")
> [@Andrew\_Indy](#): > > Also regarding the Tengu, it get a better range bonus and more DPS in missiles so it depends on wether you like lights or more missile DPS. Only when shooting Kinetic, Loki deals more dps on all other damage types. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Indy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andrew_indy/32/13108_2.png) [@Andrew\_Indy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andrew_Indy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/27 "2017-07-20T14:01:34Z")
> [@Matt\_Benneth](#): > > Only when shooting Kinetic, Loki deals more dps on all other damage types. Yeah I know, but if you if you are running WH, Gurista or Serp sites that is not an issue (WH sites also eat drones and web so the extra range is nice). Mix that is the nice tank on the Tengu (especially for Kin.Therm) and its not a total win for the Loki. Not saying that the Loki is bad (its way better for PVE than it ever used to be, just that there are other options that are just as good and situationally better. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/28 "2017-07-21T01:37:17Z")
Dirt cheap Tengu fit, does 520 dps with decent skills, reps 700hp per 4 seconds and cap stable, may need cheap powergrid implant. Can do 6/10’s and 10/10’s. Be careful about webs obviously. 6 x Heavy Assault missile launcher II Auto targeting system II 2 x Capacitor control circuit II Capacitor control circuit I 2 x shield boost amplifier II large shield booster republic fleet cap battery 10mn afterburner II 2 x em ward field II (or other rat specific) invulnerability field II 2 x ballistic control system II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Core - Electronic Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst cargo travel fit Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration +1 covert ops cloak, -1 autotargeting system II +2 inertial stabs II, -2 ballistic control system II ---
**Author:** ![Samuel\_Moon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samuel_moon/32/258232_2.png) [@Samuel\_Moon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samuel_Moon)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615/29 "2017-07-21T11:18:25Z")
I am trying this atm for serpentis DED 7 & 10. With good skills: 4950 hp (47k effective) with mid grade slave implants, 89% / 91% thermal / kinetic resistance 829 dps with some dps hardwirings, more possible for less tank Cap Stable at 35%, reps 640 serpentis dps cold and 1424 dps when overheated. Uses the covert sub over the active one just for having cloak by no effective disadvantage. ## [Proteus, PvE] _Low Slots_ ``` Damage Control II Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer ``` _Mid Slots_ ``` Shadow Serpentis 50MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script ``` _High Slots_ ``` 250mm Railgun II, Javelin M 250mm Railgun II, Javelin M 250mm Railgun II, Javelin M 250mm Railgun II, Javelin M 250mm Railgun II, Javelin M 250mm Railgun II, Javelin M Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Covert Ops Cloaking Device II ``` _Rigs_ ``` Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Anti-Thermal Pump I ``` _Subs_ ``` Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Encoding Platform Proteus Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Core - Augmented Fusion Reactor Proteus Propulsion - Hyperspatial Optimization ``` _Drones_ `'Augmented' Hobgoblin x5` It is expensive but I like the good tank while keeping relatively high dps, and it feels very versatile. When travelling through nullsec with nullifier sub and some warp core stabs, you can swap the mid slots for analyzers and are ready to scan while travelling. Mobile Depot is obvious. For me the overhaul of the T3s made my proteus even better. At least it feels like that atm 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/combat-and-ded-sites-fits-for-t3c-after-changes/9615.md?page=1)