# Coming Soon: Metaliminal Storms in Nullsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, august\ **Created:** [August 4, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511 "2020-08-04T14:39:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Festmester\_Uctionsson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/festmester_uctionsson/32/266759_2.png) [@Festmester\_Uctionsson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Festmester_Uctionsson)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/244 "2020-08-04T22:03:30Z")
Historically, CCP has released the most disruptive nullsec content in the middle of large scale nullsec conflict. So while you are right, so is he for pointing out the timing of it. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/245 "2020-08-04T22:14:37Z")
> [@littlertree](#): > > no more assholes alt with coverships camping a sistem for “CONTENT” IF THEY CALL THAT thing CONTENT it’s called content if they livestream it on twitch 😛 So no more spycams in 1DQ coz of bad weather ? So sad. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/barack_ali/32/247806_2.png) [@Barack\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Barack_Ali)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/246 "2020-08-04T22:18:24Z")
All this increased risk, but no extra rewards. Adding additional sites just gives you more content and not necessarily better rewards. You need to make storm systems spawn better asteroids, increase npc bounties, and give higher chances at faction spawns and loot. That’s the only way this “new content” doesn’t become a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Saanguinee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saanguinee/32/189495_2.png) [@Saanguinee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saanguinee)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/247 "2020-08-04T22:20:48Z")
ima break this down for u then by ur responce sry i did not have my friend spell and grammar check this one. cant be bothered. i suck at spelling and grammar. enjoy 1. Local is FAR more valuble to the hunted then the hunter. all u have to do it warp out. we have to find u (which usually involves Dscan or Probes, both are very slow), land on grid and tackle you. which if u are even paying even the slightest attention is easy 2. im glad ur against NEAR, but near is an offshoot of local and the power of local makes it INCREDIBLY powerful 3. the people who get caught are morons. this game is full of morons. if u ever go hunting u will realize how unbalanced it is for the hunter. we hunt goons because a product of size is that there are more morons. 4. im fine with cloaky camping being nerfed. IF they nerf local. its currently the only counter to local 5. goons are far from perma-camped. plenty of un-camped systems. once again the people loosing ships are morons or not paying attention…or broken bots 6. use one of the many OP jump bridges u have. learn to safely move ships. its not hard once u know what to do ---
**Author:** ![CaldariCitizen34661](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldaricitizen34661/32/168383_2.png) [@CaldariCitizen34661](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CaldariCitizen34661)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/248 "2020-08-04T22:20:52Z")
Quelle idée de merde putain. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/249 "2020-08-04T22:21:33Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > now, when CCP decided to remove cloaks from a super localized area for a short time - what reactions do i read in this thread? “CCP is removing cloaks covert ships are obsolete now oh my god”. Well then, what about a compromise, **a random decloaking pulse from the storm** instead of no cloak at all, keeps everyone on their toes and still allows people to use their cloaky ships. Any cloaky pilot can tell you how annoying and dangerous sudden exposure is. > [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > Pls tell me how exactly does one avoid a camper that sits in your system and waits? It’s amazing what you can do if you log in right after DT and actually get an idea of the cloaky bastard’s location when he logs in. Or you set up a trap. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/250 "2020-08-04T22:29:21Z")
> [@Adrestias\_Vengeance](#): > > PS try like making votes or something to see what your players really want. The answer is faster horses. There is a reason players aren’t generally enabled to design their own gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/251 "2020-08-04T22:33:58Z")
Yet Goonswarm is. ---
**Author:** ![Frolicking\_Fairy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frolicking_fairy/32/200945_2.png) [@Frolicking\_Fairy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frolicking_Fairy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/252 "2020-08-04T22:34:58Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > Unless we are talking about bots but a far as i suspect this type of bots is a rather rare thing and yet still should be eliminated entirely have you ever tried to hunt in null? I jump into system with my hunter and initial dscan shows ships with drones out, first combat probe pass with 8au probes finds ships but usually no drones, second combat probe I get a hit on the ship but drones are already in I warp to the ship and it is already off and tethered to a structure. this is done system after system and it is amazing to see how coordinated people are that all the ishtars and gilas land at the same structure at about the same time, every time. carriers are even worse where I can scan them with one 16au pass but are already warping before I can land on them. I give you an open invitation to join one of my fleets and hunt to show me how easy it is catch people. and a bit of advice on how to counter cloakie hunters, have a fleet to counter them. aids free jump bridges to move your counter fleets around with ---
**Author:** ![Aneu\_Angellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aneu_angellus/32/301087_2.png) [@Aneu\_Angellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aneu_Angellus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/253 "2020-08-04T22:35:16Z")
Do these storms also affect NPC’s? Also, for the cloaking. All of these storms should have an impact on cloaking, whether it simply be no cloaking at all, or limiting cloaks. Imo, Cloaks should require a fuel anyway, but storms can be another gameplay mechanic that can reduce the usage. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/254 "2020-08-04T22:37:28Z")
1. You are describing a roaming dropper, and i´m wrighting about cloaky campers, who are sitting in one system for as long as they please and eventually deleting things they spot. They dont care about targets warping out: system is their home now, unless something happens. 2. Once again: i´d refer to CCP for their opinion on that and tbh i´m not sure that NEAR is such a big issue, kinda getting a feeling that this one is equal to “sometimes dogs are attacking humas, slaughter every single one and ban them on the continent”. This one is open for speculations since neither you nor me have any numbers. 3. And you want to kill at least one krab upon appearing in the system? “Where is my kill? I clearly entered the system!”. Tbh: check dotlan and gaze at all those krabs who are krabbing themselves into oblivion from Deklein to Cobalt Edge. 4. Cloaky camping didnt decrease during blackout, seems like this is another issue that attackers are pushing as a “counter for local”. 5. Far? Realy? Should i talk about Olmeca camping Delve non-stop for an entire year? Or about current situation when uncamped systems are trafficed corridors where you will spot a hostile like every 2 minutes. Som of other systems have 2 (TWO) campers per system. 6. It´s not about moving ships, it´s about activity within one system. ---
**Author:** ![Garth\_Takeshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garth_takeshi/32/505446_2.png) [@Garth\_Takeshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garth_Takeshi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/255 "2020-08-04T22:59:36Z")
> [@CCP\_Fozzie](#): > > +100% Warp Speed For this to be effective, please consider removing (or increasing) the warp deceleration speed cap, as ships that warp this fast will still be artificially capped. Garth ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/256 "2020-08-04T23:00:30Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Well then, what about a compromise, **a random decloaking pulse from the storm** I´m all for balancing stuff while considering options and interests of both parties. If only i would read something about compromise during blackout… > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > log in right after DT and actually get an idea of the cloaky bastard’s location when he logs in Truly amazing, but only if: a) you are logging in before him, b) you have probes or being astronomicly lucky with d-scan (him sitting at 0 at a sun and not moving at all), c) he will not cloak before you find him, which is a rather possible outcome, and d) if he logs in like within 5 mins after dt, and not like 5 hours. > [@Frolicking\_Fairy](#): > > have you ever tried to hunt in null Hell yeah, i know what you are talking about. I understand the frustration but i dont believe that things should die just because i´ve entered the system. Cases of entire regions packed with 24/7 alert gilas and ishtars are consedered by me rather being bots but if even CCP can´t get rid of them… > [@Frolicking\_Fairy](#): > > have a fleet to counter them. aids free jump bridges to move your counter fleets around with I´ve been on those fleets, and the thing that we were trying to save should have ehp of a pre-nerfed supercarrier, and even then we would only chase away droppers EVEN if we almost instantly bridged to the target. Balance between their commitment/our chanses to kill them was (and still is) by far on their side. ---
**Author:** ![Spite\_Incarnate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spite_incarnate/32/222141_2.png) [@Spite\_Incarnate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spite_Incarnate)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/257 "2020-08-04T23:01:21Z")
And yet, the ramjag still exists. Nice brand new tech. Can we maybe iterate on ship balance please, in a timely, consistent fashion? ---
**Author:** ![Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sideways_bottomsup/32/194490_2.png) [@Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sideways_Bottomsup)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/258 "2020-08-04T23:09:00Z")
> [@Hejj\_Tah](#): > > what happens when 2 (or more) different storms meet/cross Imagine every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/259 "2020-08-04T23:09:15Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > Truly amazing, but only if: > _etc_ I agree, it’s not “easy” or fast and the circumstances have to be right. We did it on several occasions with permacampers. Takes patience. > [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > If only i would read something about compromise during blackout… The thing that puzzles me in that part of the discussion is that w-space has this situation permanently. Yet they do all activities, so there are approaches to the _challenge_. And do you believe last year’s blackout is coming back ? I don’t think so, it was too costly 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/260 "2020-08-04T23:19:59Z")
Wormholers care about more than easy money. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/261 "2020-08-04T23:25:27Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > w-space has this situation permanently. Yet they do all activities, so there are approaches to the _challenge_ . You can self-isolate by rolling all wormholes and anchoring 20 large t2 bubbles on frigsize wh:s. There you go, you are ready to krab yourself into oblivion with the level of security that even some highsec systems can not provide. And no one can cyno drop you in wh i.e. can not create a wh right in your face. If we remove cynos from null, delete stargates with jump bridges and make null system connections work on a wormhole-like pattern - then i´m ready to say “bye bye local”. Otherwise we are comparing a tank with a jet plane and are surprised by tanks inability to fly. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/262 "2020-08-04T23:27:02Z")
Awwwwwww you nullsec bots will have to dock up till the storm passes. You have my condolences and prayers in this time of despair. ---
**Author:** ![Saanguinee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saanguinee/32/189495_2.png) [@Saanguinee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saanguinee)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/263 "2020-08-04T23:43:19Z")
ur not getting it. ur making assumptions that dont exis. im done arguing with u. come do blops with us and hunt. u will understand [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511.md?page=14)