# Coming Soon: Metaliminal Storms in Nullsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** null-sec, august\ **Created:** [August 4, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511 "2020-08-04T14:39:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Aeciro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aeciro/32/218690_2.png) [@Aeciro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aeciro)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/427 "2020-08-07T23:13:52Z")
Hello. As a high-sec player my opinion of this is mixed. On the one hand, I can tank advantage of it when it’s around and I won’t see weather much because of how far I am from a null sec system I may never see it, so no worries for me either way. Except… Except that I need (as every player in Eve needs) as many other players around as possible. The fewer players, the less the game can be developed and the less content there is. From what my (admittedly limited) understanding of how the movements of null sec players work, this weather system strikes me as a negative event for player retention. I’ve spoken to about a dozen of my null sec buddies and only one gave me a positive opinion of these upcoming changes out of the lot of them. And when I try to put myself in their shoes, trying to take into consideration my understand of their goals and methods, I imagine it would make me a bit miserable. When I read the summary premise of the idea I thought, “Wow that sounds like they’re adding excitement!” But when I read how it worked I thought, “Thank goodness I don’t run around in null much.” I wish I could offer a …‘list of fix ideas’ or something but I’m stumped. The concept as presented just has me wondering why and why that way. Seems less ‘add excitement’ and more ‘add annoyance’. But as I said I am a high sec care bear mostly. I just go to null to take stuff to buddies and chase down explo and stuff. PvP confounds me still. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/428 "2020-08-07T23:37:44Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > It’s something disruptive that makes people have to adjust on the fly. You mean ‘it’s something intrusive that gets in the way **again** ’. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/429 "2020-08-07T23:44:26Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Storm-interdicted cloak-enabled ships for camping local. I smell a new cloak mod that lets you cloak in a storm. New skills/fuel? I don’t know. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ishmael_ronuken/32/209150_2.png) [@Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ishmael_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/430 "2020-08-07T23:54:58Z")
PvP has been, will be, and will always be just stabbing at things you know are less powerful than you. That’s pretty much it. The rest is playing the game of rock paper scissors. In MMOs the PvP gameplay almost always boils down to “who has better gear”, EVE is no exception. The rest is understanding the r/p/s of range control and DScan. Then the next step is finding and killing HVTs to make money while shooting people. The last step is grabbing people to assure you always have numbers advantage. The final form is farming hatemail. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/431 "2020-08-08T00:04:50Z")
Dont get me wrong but your statement could be seen as debatalbe, though it´s mostly correct. I´d say that the final form is playing the meta while farming hatemail is something different. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/432 "2020-08-08T00:23:21Z")
> [@Aeciro](#): > > The concept as presented just has me wondering why and why that way. Seems less ‘add excitement’ and more ‘add annoyance’. That’s basically what it is, yes. **Gosh** , I wonder how many of the 8 _totally random_ storms will just _happen_ to start off in Delve… My money’s on ‘5-7’. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/433 "2020-08-08T00:27:01Z")
I mean: why dont start with 2 Electrical passing through 1dq, hehe ---
**Author:** ![Advenat\_Bedala](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/advenat_bedala/32/222076_2.png) [@Advenat\_Bedala](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Advenat_Bedala)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/434 "2020-08-08T01:17:25Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > That’s basically what it is, yes. **Gosh** , I wonder how many of the 8 _totally random_ storms will just _happen_ to start off in Delve… > > My money’s on ‘5-7’. I bet Astero that 0 🧯 ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/435 "2020-08-08T01:35:25Z")
My bet is on at least 1 plasma storm. Just to help those munnins ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/436 "2020-08-08T01:43:59Z")
Sure bring the storms all over instead of just null :] ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/437 "2020-08-08T01:46:16Z")
Eh, not sure how lowsec will like it but highsec will absolutely hate it. Like H.A.T.E. it, wh - mostly hate it escept for electrical. ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/438 "2020-08-08T01:46:58Z")
yea no idea about high and wh never lived there but I spend 90% of my time in low and it would be amazing there too. ---
**Author:** ![OhRevere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ohrevere/32/224708_2.png) [@OhRevere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/OhRevere)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/439 "2020-08-08T17:23:51Z")
> [@CCP\_Fozzie](#): > > -90% Remote Shield/Armor Rep Amount Why not just make it 100% or do you think 250 Basilisks are going to follow one ship around repping it? ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_Windstalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cade_windstalker/32/221037_2.png) [@Cade\_Windstalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cade_Windstalker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/440 "2020-08-08T19:48:55Z")
Question, is it possible for these storms to overlap? What happens if they do overlap? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/441 "2020-08-08T20:58:13Z")
Why does everybody keep asking this? The answer is almost certainly no - but even if they could, it would be a very rare event. ---
**Author:** ![qee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qee/32/295699_2.png) [@qee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/qee)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/442 "2020-08-08T21:03:02Z")
Can i? Stop sending me this sh`itted from the daily login reward? Well, seriously … Stop wasting my time! And you can continue to discuss something that has no game value. 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/443 "2020-08-08T22:45:51Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > > > Storms also change spawn of resources which will have impact on markets. > > CCP said it’d only be like one or two systems in all of nullsec. Exactly how much of an impact will it really have in the grand scheme of things? Fozzie also mentioned this > [@CCP\_Fozzie](#): > > The central system of these storms will always remain in nullsec, but the effects can spill over into nearly lowsec and highsec systems as well. So your little storm is little bigger than you probably thought of. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > > > Give the game actually balance instead of creating feature of pure chaos. > > You said you’ve “worked with games for almost 20 years now”, shouldn’t you have realized that it’s possible for CCP to work on multiple things at once? If you worked in game industry or thought the topic at all. You would understand that these changes impact on null sec which is source of many resources. Which will impact all of EVE economy. Once you implement such feature which has random consequences it will introduce bugs and balance issues. So once this feature is fired CCP will be rolling their thumbs and analyzing data and projecting future storms. They already mentioned that they will start new features like forecasts and people are already requesting new APIs. This ‘little feature’ will sink up lot of CCP time and divert it from real things. Rest of your blabber I chose not to answer as you seriously did not think of the subject at all. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/444 "2020-08-08T22:50:12Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > So your little storm is little bigger than you probably thought of. Wow, so it touches a low sec system. Show me proof that these lowsec systems contribute meaningfully to the EVE Online economy and how negatively these weak storms will hurt it. Just because it touches low/high systems doesn’t mean anything. Otherwise, sit down and shut up. > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > You would understand that these changes impact on null sec which is source of many resources. Which will impact all of EVE economy. Will there be _an_ impact? Sure. Will it be as bad as you’re claiming? Lmao, no, get out of here, kid. Show me the numbers that support your claim that it’ll be as bad as you say it is. Also, I love how you conveniently ignored: How much SP will you need to survive these storms? You claimed that > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > to cover all the storms you will need hell lot of SP And why would you need “like 5-6 different ships for probably pve only.” > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > and at least like 5-6 different ships for probably pve only. Followed by: > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > Then if you think PVP doctorines you probably need like 6 more ships. Where is any of your support for ANYTHING you’ve said this entire thread? I know it’s very easy and tempting to just pull stuff out of your ass, but no one will take you seriously if all you do is make up outrageous stuff with nothing to support it. Edit: Here comes the “i’ve worked in video games for X years, I know what I’m talking about” deflection in 3… 2… ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/445 "2020-08-08T22:57:28Z")
Is not the CSM it’s the goon stellar management, remember that ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-soon-metaliminal-storms-in-nullsec/258511/446 "2020-08-08T23:02:29Z")
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