# Community Intervention - Help me talk sense into my friend =( **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 16, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143 "2020-07-16T01:56:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/21 "2020-07-16T10:26:17Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > going crazy not touching people, Thats why I came back too - touching eve people. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/22 "2020-07-16T11:09:47Z")
how do we define “low level PvE”? 🤔 I mean for L4S missions you may want some tank on a raven (or rather You would last time I have flown one in L4S) but on L3S bringing raven is a bit of overkill on firepower in the first place. So I would start with pondering what PvE Anonymous is doing and check if he really has to do it in a battleship in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Surly\_Bill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surly_bill/32/221329_2.png) [@Surly\_Bill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Surly_Bill)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/23 "2020-07-16T11:14:52Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/93ea9730ad379c74ef0649335b9e0441be40bf30.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/24 "2020-07-16T16:01:27Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Who the hell puts an MWD on a PVE Raven? Cruise Raven “range tanks”, so it needs an MWD+MJD to get into range quickly. It is a slow a ■■■■ fit to mission with, so it’s only used by ultra passive semi-AFK missioners. Fortunately you don’t lose throughput to “wasted missile volleys” if you preemptively switch targets. It’s also the best fit to use for the HS epic arc missions if you have very low skills or want a dirt cheap fit. It just doesn’t need any armor/shield/hull modules because range and speed are all it needs to survive. It’s the complete and total opposite of a blitz fit, but it gets the job done. If you use it, use it without tank mods, though. That’s what this intervention is all about, those damn tank mods. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/25 "2020-07-16T16:06:55Z")
Tell him to get rid of the shield booster and add an afterburner, you know, just in case. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/26 "2020-07-16T16:16:25Z")
Triple propulsion? He already has an MWD+MJD ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/27 "2020-07-16T16:17:17Z")
could be worse ![Captura de Tela 2020-07-16 às 13.16.37](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/d/bdb3f3c42be072e4c767f2995fa579635727908c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/28 "2020-07-16T16:24:57Z")
Raven shaming is a thing now. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/29 "2020-07-16T16:25:48Z")
> [@Vals\_Loeder](#): > > Raven shaming is a thing now. at least we are not canceling people in eve… yet ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/30 "2020-07-16T16:26:32Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > yet Yet… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/31 "2020-07-16T16:48:21Z")
MJD, RHML and minimal tank works pretty well if you’re actively playing. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/32 "2020-07-16T16:50:26Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > at least we are not canceling people in eve… Good sir, please allow me to introduce you to the [EVE Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com) ---
**Author:** ![Baran\_Caydren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baran_caydren/32/212550_2.png) [@Baran\_Caydren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baran_Caydren)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/33 "2020-07-16T16:52:21Z")
Thank you, lovely to be here 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/34 "2020-07-17T03:55:10Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > He’s active tanking a ship with an operational range of 200km that pretty much never gets touched after MWDing out far beyond the range of 99% of rats encountered in low-level PVE (using an initial MJD if necessary to escape a killing field and keep shields from breaking). I think he’s too far gone at this point. Everybody knows that hull tanking is best tanking. ---
**Author:** ![Bumblefck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumblefck/32/217299_2.png) [@Bumblefck](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumblefck)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/35 "2020-07-28T23:50:01Z")
My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x ‘HYPHNOS’ ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/36 "2020-07-29T00:07:59Z")
Your shield booster is M-sized, meaning you’re not relying on active shield tanking to keep you alive, it is only supplementary in nature. Areas of concern, however: - ECM on a low level PVE fit - Warp stabs on a low level PVE fit - Sharing its in (hand-typed?) non-EFT Format - Salvage/Tractor module on a low-level PVE fit - Forfeiting a weapon slot for a tractor/salvager # Community: another intervention is required ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/37 "2020-07-29T00:22:42Z")
I think he is joking. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/38 "2020-07-29T00:27:55Z")
I’m not sure anyone who hand-types a fit like that is joking ---
**Author:** ![doodel\_danger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doodel_danger/32/254134_2.png) [@doodel\_danger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/doodel_danger)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/39 "2020-07-29T01:03:31Z")
Tell him to rat in jita ---
**Author:** ![Pix\_Severus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pix_severus/32/394032_2.png) [@Pix\_Severus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pix_Severus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/community-intervention-help-me-talk-sense-into-my-friend/255143/40 "2020-07-29T01:09:44Z")
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