# Compression "taxes" for Orca/Rorqual/Porpoise **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [October 30, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287 "2024-10-30T12:52:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/1 "2024-10-30T12:52:43Z")
Players boosting mining fleets usually dont get much from doing so. Mining with drones is not very efficient and most of the time they depend on players giving tips. Maybe we can come up with a “tax” for compressing the ore, so that when a miner wants to compress the ore, a % of it goes to the orca (might need to think a solution for big rocks, like ice). The Orca should be able to choose what is the % and miners are informed of the % before clicking compress. This way the booster can get “paid” for its services. Also, I would restrict the max % as allowing people to set 100% would just make the orca into a big storage (there are other ways to do so, but still) ---
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/2 "2024-10-30T14:28:20Z")
Oh great, _more_ taxes 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Seraph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_seraph/32/495525_2.png) [@Sara\_Seraph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Seraph)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/3 "2024-10-30T16:38:08Z")
In a dystopian universe the governments at all levels would get a piece of the transaction. This is not a bad tool to handle the transactions, it could be set to ISK and/or ore percentage. Most definitely set it to show _before_ the compression.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/4 "2024-10-30T17:20:32Z")
more like a “tip”, but it would be handled automatically, so no need for contracts or waiting for the miners to send isk/ore ---
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/5 "2024-10-30T18:39:54Z")
> [@Pochoco](#): > > more like a “tip” Well, regardless. I’m not the one who will be affected. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/6 "2024-10-30T18:44:09Z")
Why don’t you inform all your miners about this “tax” or “tip” you want to have for the booster, and if they don’t stick to their word, you kick them out of your fleet, not invite them to the next fleet and/or blow up their ship? You know, like… communicating with the guys in your group? ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/7 "2024-10-30T21:27:29Z")
I thought about setting a flat rate for the boosting (ex: 10M per ship) but then you need to consider people will be using different ships or staying on the fleet for different amount of time, so a “fair” rate is hard to compute. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/8 "2024-10-31T05:29:42Z")
Well, I do understand where the idea comes from, but the reality of EVE teached me otherwise. From my experience the boosts of a fleet are usually “free” because it’s just an Alt that the owner would have brought anyway for his own convenience. So, most people I know are just not caring for a “tip” and let their buddies join in without any “fee” or “tax”… There are few cases where I have seen such a concept however, but then it usually was like “10% for the booster”, which means there is a simple deal: You get like +40% mining amount and give 10% back to the booster, leaving you with still 30% profit. So the small Venture of a Newbro would give less, Maxskilled Exhumers of Vets would give more. Thats not automated however, you have to actually talk to the guys you mine with and agree on such a deal. However, I am not a fan of “taxes” and “fees”, because it further automates that payment process and removes the social aspect of it. There can be no drama, no negotiation, no betrayal… it’s boring. And it gives more power to those in charge, leaving those who aren’t no choice but to pay. ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/9 "2024-10-31T13:17:01Z")
Betrayal, lol… I see your point, but that assumes that you have many alts. You need at least 3 alts to make it worth it having an orca on site (1 orca + 2 miners), otherwise you are better off just mining without boosts (assuming you are running a mack so you dont have to warp too often). And if in one fleet there are more than one player capable of flying an orca, then the player boosting is “sacrificing” himself to let other players mine more, so there is no much of an incentive. Even within a corp is hard to keep a good system where the orca player gets a decent pay for his work. With the “fee”, you can even make a career out of it ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/10 "2024-10-31T13:42:25Z")
> [@Pochoco](#): > > You need at least 3 alts to make it worth it Actually not. A maxskilled Orca gives like -46% mining laser cycle time bonus, that means you get the same amount of ore in about half the time. And that means 1 Orca + 1 miner will mine about the same as 2 miners. It’s a little bit less but the ability to compress and the huge cargo of the Orca ensure that you can mine permanently imstead of traveling to a station every some minutes. So, all you need is one miner and one boosting alt. > [@Pochoco](#): > > The orca player gets a decent pay for his work. With the “fee”, you can even make a career out of it As said, the Orca is usually (that means in 99% of all cases) an alt that would have been there anyway. I play this game for 15years and in almost no fleet anyone is ever charged for the boosts. Why would I charge my corpmates for a service I have running anyway? There are even often public fleets offeing free boosts. That said, you will never make a ‘career’ out of mining boosts. Thats why the common thing is either ‘free boosts’ or ‘tip the booster’ (voluntary). The more I think about this ‘tax idea’, the less I think it’s an idea tha would make the game (as a social environment) a better one… ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/11 "2024-10-31T15:22:02Z")
So players would only consider having an orca if they have alts, not everyone can afford two or more omega accounts. Also, it would be and addition without taking away from the current system (you can still have free boosts or rely on tips, just set the % to 0) ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/12 "2024-10-31T16:44:53Z")
> [@Pochoco](#): > > So players would only consider having an orca if they have alts Yes, absolutely. Probably 99% of all Orcas in the game are flown by people with at least 2 accounts. > [@Pochoco](#): > > not everyone can afford two or more omega accounts. And? That doesn’t change the fact that most fleets out there offer “free” boosts or ask just for a completely voluntary tip. If you begin to ask for a set fee, be it on your own for a public fleet or in your corp as set corp-tax, you will be in competition with all those who do not, leading to the point where you either get no buddies that want to mine with you or you have to use such a ridiculously low fee that it will never be enough to generate a significant income. I can understand that you don’t like my answer, but the chance to make a “career” out of demanding payment for fleetboost is straight zero. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/13 "2024-10-31T16:48:50Z")
No, we really need to do something for mining as a career. More taxes seems like taking that in the opposite direction… ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/14 "2024-10-31T17:53:50Z")
I dont understand why people are so averse to the word “tax”. I just called it like that because i dont know any better word to describe it, its not like its going to the governmen. Take it as a donation but simplified. If you dont like it, then look for another fleet. Im in the game right now and i can only see 2 public mining fleets. Maybe we dont find more because people dont see any advantage on running a public fleet bc they dont get anything out of it (my corp did a test running public fleets for moon ore and most of the miners didnt made any contribution to cover the costs). I think it would be nice to have the option, if you dont like it, dont use it ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/15 "2024-11-01T03:24:20Z")
Although I never ran a Rorqual, I miss reading about all the adventures of players utilizing them. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/16 "2024-11-01T04:17:58Z")
so… they keep the ore, and not give it to the corp? or the person paying the miners just isn’t smart enough to keep a cut of it for the corp? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/17 "2024-11-01T07:31:37Z")
> [@Pochoco](#): > > Take it as a donation but simplified. It isn’t a “donation” any more if you can just fix-set the “amount” you _automatically_ keep from the mined ore and then everyone in your fleet is _forced_ to pay it. Why can’t you see the difference? Having another automated payment system in the game sets a course, it sets future standards. Bigger corps and alliances, especially those who spam-invite new players and those that are so large that they can enforce basically any rule they want will begin to demand “mining tax” payment, small but steadily, and keep telling all the players “no worry, its normal to pay for the boost!” and that will establish a culture of payment instead of the culture of service and support that we currently have. It is a change from a welcoming and supporting attitude towards a demanding and capitalistic pay4everything culture. This is not healthy for the game in my opinion and that is reason for me not to like it. In my opinion a tax on corp-level is halfway acceptable, because if a corp is managed well, it simply needs some funds for it’s expenses and services. Being a CEO myself, I know how much work and ISK it does cost to run a supportive corporation. Bringing a booster ship to a fleet is _nothing_ compared to that, especially considered the fact that you would have flown it _anyway_. If you want payment in your fleet, _talk_ to your fleetmates and negotiate. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/18 "2024-11-01T09:55:59Z")
Not boost-ship related but few years ago i was building caldari cruisers. I asked a moon owner about mining for missing minerals. They asked me to give them the goo or what i didnt need to help pay for use. I had no qualms. Communication is key. Talk to them ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/19 "2024-11-01T13:06:55Z")
The idea was making the fleet public so anyone could join (no reds or low sec status, oc) and they would mine all they wanted and then sell the ore to the corp at 90% value. But most judt mined and never sold the ore to us, just kept it. And there is no way to control how much each player mined, so even if they sold some to us, we can never know if it was the correct amount ---
**Author:** ![Pochoco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pochoco/32/438793_2.png) [@Pochoco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pochoco)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287/20 "2024-11-01T13:12:11Z")
It is not “forced” because you are not “forced” to stay on that fleet. If you dont want to pay, go to one of the free fleets you mentioned before. From what you said before, there should be plenty of those, right? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/compression-taxes-for-orca-rorqual-porpoise/466287.md?page=2)