# Concern about Highsec Ganking, Fake “Consequences,” and Omega Players as Farm Content **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 17, 2026, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818 "2026-02-17T17:41:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Sepathori\_Raphadon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepathori_raphadon/32/491484_2.png) [@Sepathori\_Raphadon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepathori_Raphadon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/246 "2026-02-23T12:58:22Z")
The point is, the post clearly indicates this is not a thread to ban ganking. This is some people’s preferred playstyle and we need to respect that. The post is about balancing mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Sepathori\_Raphadon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepathori_raphadon/32/491484_2.png) [@Sepathori\_Raphadon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepathori_Raphadon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/247 "2026-02-23T12:59:25Z")
The you should reread the post and educate yourself properly about it’s contents and intentions. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/248 "2026-02-23T13:02:16Z")
> [@Sepathori\_Raphadon](#): > > Over the last couple of months since returning, I’ve lost over 3 billion ISK across my accounts to organized, repeat ganking in highsec. > [@Sepathori\_Raphadon](#): > > The you should reread the post and educate yourself properly about it’s contents and intentions. I read all I needed to read, if you lose a lot simply try the same thing with a cheaper ship so the loss is more manageable. Do you live in WH? > [@Sepathori\_Raphadon](#): > > From the PvE / industrial side: > > - You’re often flying expensive, slow or lightly‑tanked ships that took serious ISK and time to acquire. > - A single gank can wipe out months of casual progress. This might be where you are going wrong, I can mine/rat or earn using 1/10th of the cost you pay, I admit I wouldnt earn as much as you on an outing where we didn’t lose anything, however in the long term my earnings are more simply because my loss would total 300m while yours is 3 billion. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/249 "2026-02-23T13:18:00Z")
It’s unfortunate that the original post reads like some kind of reverse PsyOp to delegitmize people who have problems with the current state of high sec suicide ganking. Because it does point out a few actual problems. Namely: Kill rights are a flawed, and nearly useless, concept. Long term deterrents are easily bypassed, or even outright nullified. Catalysts are are super cheap, and easy to train, source of high DPS who’s downsides (slowness and fragility) are a non-factor thanks to the very nature of “undock → shoot → die”. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Meltdown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blue_meltdown/32/451856_2.png) [@Blue\_Meltdown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blue_Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/250 "2026-02-23T13:20:42Z")
So and whats your solution? If you can’t change 1 and 2 then maybe do something about not getting one shot by Catalysts. Oh and if kill rights weren’t useless.. would you go and jump into a combat ship and hunt the gankers? No? Well, why mention it. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/251 "2026-02-23T13:30:08Z")
> [@Blue\_Meltdown](#): > > If you can’t change 1 and 2 then maybe do something about not getting one shot by Catalysts. I imagine very few people have ever actually been oneshot by a single catalyst. That’s tornado territory. No, when people die to catalysts, it’s usually in the form of an N+1 blob where the DPS has been calculated to be enough to outrace CONCORD. Can’t really do much to stop the usage of such a tactic unless the target is willing to invest into multiboxing a jammer alt. > [@Blue\_Meltdown](#): > > Oh and if kill rights weren’t useless.. would you go and jump into a combat ship and hunt the gankers? No? Well, why mention it. I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with, or arguing against me here. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Meltdown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blue_meltdown/32/451856_2.png) [@Blue\_Meltdown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blue_Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/252 "2026-02-23T13:34:04Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > No, when people die to catalysts, it’s usually in the form of an N+1 blob where the DPS has been calculated to be enough to outrace CONCORD. Can’t really do much to stop the usage of such a tactic unless the target is willing to invest into multiboxing a jammer alt. Thats untrue.. if you are willing to fit your ship with tank thats will cost the ganker more then they would gain, then you don’t get ganked. Heck.. even without enough tank you can get away if your ship is fast enough. I’m agreeing that kill rights are useless, but if they weren’t would you do something against gankers? ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/253 "2026-02-23T13:42:09Z")
> [@Blue\_Meltdown](#): > > Thats untrue.. if you are willing to fit your ship with tank thats will cost the ganker more then they would gain, then you don’t get ganked. Heck.. even without enough tank you can get away if your ship is fast enough. I would like to agree with this, but there are more than just a few kill mails on zKill of empty freighters killed just for the sake of seeing something expensive go boom. > [@Blue\_Meltdown](#): > > I’m agreeing that kill rights are useless, but if they weren’t would you do something against gankers? Hell yes. I’d love to actually be able to do something about the Jita undock campers. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/254 "2026-02-23T13:44:15Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > As before, EHP has a hard cap, DPS does not. The attacker is always going to be in a more advantageous position and the current overall effect is a system inherently biased in the aggressors favour. > > That in itself is not a problem, is that there is a total absence of meaningful consequence. The problem is your approach. Because the attacker can choose when to attack, if they have the means it is always add one more catalyst to the attack than it is for you to add one more logi. Not being on grid before the gank comes is the best active counterplay. Are you planning on having a dozen Scimitars always shadowing your barge or hauler? Are you going to ask the gankers to hang on while you get more of your corp mates to help defend since they have more DPS on grid than you have repair? There is no way to ensure that you have enough EHP to survive a gank without make defense so strong that destroying any ship becomes tedious. It’s just not good game design. The consequence of a gank is the ganker’s ship is destroyed and they lose security status. This is a pain and forces gankers to be picky. If you make yourself a poison pill that is unprofitable to swallow you will almost never be ganked. The complaint that the EHP has a cap, but DPS can always scales is a flawed complaint, because the only fix it to strengthen EHP to that point where combat itself impractical. EvE is inherently a spaceship fighting game. You can’t make it impractical for the spaceships to fight without ruining the game. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Meltdown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blue_meltdown/32/451856_2.png) [@Blue\_Meltdown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blue_Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/255 "2026-02-23T13:49:23Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > but there are more than just a few kill mails on zKill of empty freighters killed just for the sake of seeing something expensive go boom. You can’t change that, no matter what you are asking for… but i would believe (cause i don’t have numbers) that most ganks will occure because there is profit to be made. > [@Done25](#): > > Hell yes. I’d love to actually be able to do something about the Jita undock campers. Then go ahead and find a solution that works and forward it to CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/256 "2026-02-23T13:49:31Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > Hell yes. I’d love to actually be able to do something about the Jita undock campers. Do you use the insta undock method, and warping to a bookmark on 0km of Jita M4 when docking? ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/257 "2026-02-23T13:51:14Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > The consequence of a gank is the ganker’s ship is destroyed and they lose security status. Which is why they use super cheap ships that are easily replaced. Security Status is a non-factor as it is both easy to work around, and can be infinitely reset if desired. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/258 "2026-02-23T13:53:27Z")
Of course I use those. I’ve only died on Jita undock once, and it was to a wardec farmer while I was in an empty, and unfit, T1 hauler due to me forgetting about the wardec. I’m saying I want to be able to shoot and kill the suicide undock campers. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/259 "2026-02-23T13:57:28Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > I’m saying I want to be able to shoot and kill the suicide undock campers. lol, I’m actually surprised people havent trolled the gankers by suicide ganking them while they are waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/260 "2026-02-23T14:04:01Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Wearing a seat belt does not help much if the occupant decides to drive while smoking a joint, drinking a fourty with their phone in their hand, will concede that. Actually, the seatbelt works exactly the same way regardless of any of these factors. That you apparently do not understand this is, at least, consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/261 "2026-02-23T14:15:32Z")
Because there would be no point. There’s no profit to be made if you don’t have an an alt grab the drops with, not that they’d be equipped with anything of significant value, and then you’d have to deal with a kill right for 30 days owned by someone whos entire play style revolves around camping the Jita undock. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/262 "2026-02-23T14:21:29Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > Which is why they use super cheap ships that are easily replaced. Security Status is a non-factor as it is both easy to work around, and can be infinitely reset if desired. Yes, they use ships optimized for their game play, but they are not free. Most gankers need to make a profit, even if they role play that they are on a religious crusade. Avoid being a profitable gank and the times that you are ganked will diminish. It is not as safe as just not being on grid, but it will help. edited to add: By saying the security factor is a non-issue I assume you mean that tags can be purchased, but that is a factor because it adds to the cost. Or do you mean something else? Explaining the basics of how ganking works without responding to the point of my post doesn’t seem productive but let me assure you that I know the basics of how gankers work. Do you understand the basics of avoiding being on grid? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/263 "2026-02-23T14:27:14Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > Kill rights are a flawed, and nearly useless, concept. Kill rights are one of the tools to keep honest HS folks honest. You won’t make an attack of opportunity as easily when you know you can then freely be attacked for a month as if there wasn’t such a deterrent. It might not affect career criminals that much, but it definitely affects honest HS players if they were considering doing not-so-honest things and as such keeps HS a little bit safer. You want to be revenged by CONCORD when people attack you? Then better play by the law. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/264 "2026-02-23T14:34:07Z")
Some AO guys tried to suicide me to stop me from killing their bowhead a while back and I cashed out the KRs for a mackinaw and a blingy abyssal stormbringer. They are fine at what they are for. They’re pretty obviously not for getting revenge on a character that is only ever going to be in a T1 destroyer, and I don’t know why anyone would expect them to be. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2026, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818/265 "2026-02-23T15:16:03Z")
I think miners should have to buy a mining permit in order to mine. It’s not balanced for them to mine without the appropriate paperwork. This is NOT about stopping people from mining, this is just about balancing game mechanics. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concern-about-highsec-ganking-fake-consequences-and-omega-players-as-farm-content/506818.md?page=14)