# CONCORD introduces the Dynamic Bounty System **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 23, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498 "2020-10-23T16:26:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/974 "2020-10-29T09:18:21Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Mine the valuable highsec ore you were crying about just before, idiot. I was leading you to this all along, even if I had to talk stupid to you, son. Thanks for confirming that all who mined in nullsec should just pack up and go hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/975 "2020-10-29T09:18:47Z")
Its actually funny watching these Airline Owners “losing billions” from the comfort of my VW Microbus. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Thanks for confirming that all who mined in nullsec should just pack up and go hisec. You know you could do both… oh sorry thats :effort: isnt it ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/976 "2020-10-29T09:20:20Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I was leading you to this all along, even if I had to talk stupid to you, son. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > You’re not up to date, aren’t you? > Mining got Hilmar’d last month. It no longer exists. No, you weren’t. Screaming fake news and pretending you were saying something else all along doesn’t change what you said. Of course, if everyone changes, then Null Sec ores become rare, and valuable again. Almost like the market & miners will naturally find some kind of equilibrium, based on value of ores and their willingness to move to follow profits. P.S. I love how you skip past the answer to your own example about Dreads that shows it’s perfectly fine still. And cyno ships don’t have to be automatically lost. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/977 "2020-10-29T09:20:38Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its actually funny watching these Airline Owners “losing billions” from the comfort of my VW Microbus. I know, right. It’s always fun when someone else gets shafted. Now can you enjoy the show quietly, while I try to get through to the incredible moron who is shafting my regional airline, while barely touching the huge one that was the problem all along? > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Of course, if everyone changes, then Null Sec ores become rare, and valuable again. You know nothing of nullsec, do you? It will change some day in 2032, and only after everyone who mined in nullsec would be forced out and into hisec, meaning no ships are built in nullsec for the next dozen years. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/978 "2020-10-29T09:21:49Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I know, right. It’s always fun when someone else gets shafted. Its funny because you have no idea how to actually be content or satisified do you? > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > shafting my regional airline Maybe if you either ran it properly or did work rather than living off dividends youd not be so quick to continually deny that theres plenty of ways to play that dont involve watching your wallet tick. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/980 "2020-10-29T09:24:12Z")
I was satisified in EvE long before you started crying that you were exceptional to the “reduce wealth” plan > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > do not deserve any friends Oh no I am cut lol ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/982 "2020-10-29T09:25:32Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I was satisified in EvE long before you started crying that you were exceptional to the “reduce wealth” plan Oh but I am. I was never a problem wealth-wise, and yet it’s me who’s getting shafted instead of those who are the problem. I see this as extremely unfair treatment, and protest it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/983 "2020-10-29T09:25:45Z")
Yeah its only stupid cos it increases your wallet slower > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > it’s me who’s getting shafted instead of those who are the problem. Yeah, so envy. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/984 "2020-10-29T09:26:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yeah its only stupid cos it increases your wallet slower My wallet haven’t seen an actual increase since blackout, and judging by where it is going, it never will. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/985 "2020-10-29T09:27:29Z")
Then maybe try buses or join those who are instead of wasting your energy raging. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/987 "2020-10-29T09:41:15Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > t I’ll exhaust all other options before. Thats a good start! > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > An extremely unfair, unbalanced change, with both short and long negative consequences and no positive effect whatsoever is getting implemented with not even an intention to make it playable, discuss it, or fix obvious glaring issues and huge design faults it has. How am I supposed to react? Now from this persepective I hear you very well. Quantum Cores gutted my thriving Structure Trading business in high sec, and yeah I got pissed about it and cancelled my Omegas. But When I took some time I realised it was a thing that was probaby going to happen eventually. Sure Im not a big earner, but I made 50 bil in in a few months only by using the fiorums and private comms in game. Then they took away my opportunities to make isk that way. But really, _should_ I have been able to do that? In either case, the point is I made some quick cash, and now could get back into it with an isk hit, or go back to salvaging and ninjing , which even on Alpha is more fun (well, its generally more fun than profit, but thats kinda the point of a game, I feel). > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > it’s like adapting to eating ■■■■ instead of gravy And thats really the issue. You want expensive gravy with every meal, but god forbid they serve you Bisto because youd rather eat ■■■■ than use what you consider beneath you. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > lackout was exactly this change, and eve cannot recover from it TO THIS DAY Recover how? Recover to the point CCP has decided this isnt going to work, and isnt providing the experience intended, or some other random thought? Why is EvE where a PLEX cost 300m worse than one where it cost 2.5b? > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Even if it means raging, shouting, and threadnaughting. They say the empty can rattles the most ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Quaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_quaan/32/372581_2.png) [@Lucas\_Quaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Quaan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/988 "2020-10-29T09:51:14Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Trying is losing. Post with your main so we can see where this mentality came from. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/990 "2020-10-29T10:05:53Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > The issue is that the ones who were the problem will still be getting gravy Why? Why does it bother you that you think others have it better? And if so, whats stopping you doing what they do? Is it pride? I bet its pride. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > That is what makes it unfair. That is what made blackout unfair - it didn’t affect supers under super umbrella much, but it destroyed me. I point you back to my Structure Business. How come YOU were allowed to make sacks of cash while I had my idea taken away? Yet, Im not jealous about you, in fact if you werent raging so blindly, Id probably agree that this is too harsh. Arrendis explained how it works, and yeah thats pretty harsh, but you know, its easy to imagine you are harder done by than anyone else, but theres only two courses of action; sympathise with others in your boat and mobilise, or move on to find a new opportunity. The gold rush always ends eventually, and for good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/992 "2020-10-29T10:17:38Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > There is a reason why it bothers me, and it’s unfairness. > Not because I get X and someone gets Y, not that kind. > It’s because group X is the problem, and a nerf was supposed to be going to them. But you dont see how you and them are the same things to the rest of us, maybe? Or more importantly, CCP? Or are you suggesting something more devious at play? And again, why not join Group X if they have what you want? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/993 "2020-10-29T10:23:28Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > The issue is that the ones who were the problem will still be getting gravy Have to give you that one. The same is true with any other measure that was rolled out that _may_ have had something to do with the fight against botting. The farm bots will always adjust and adapt far better / swifter than Joe Average because so much more is depending on it for them. We’ll see after a few MER’s who gets hit hardest, and where on the map. In a certain way, a dynamic system was already in place for another ISK faucet: mining in regular belts. Most miners have experienced the baby roids in systems that get mined out before downtime. But that never affected the _economy_ in a significant way. iHUB upgrades that spawn extra belts are a thing. So are upgrades that spawn extra anoms and sigs… If this Dynamic Bounty System is intended as a way to combat automated ISK production (polite way of saying it) then it will fall short from its goal. If it isn’t, then it’s pointless (like confining tritanium to hisec space), it doesn’t add to gameplay of well-intending players, it only slams the brakes. We will of course NEVER know if this change is intended as an antibotting feature. CCP will never tell. And having discussions based on an assumption is, in all honesty, as good as sterile. P.S. one weather type is missing … the one that disrupts local … But I’m evil. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/994 "2020-10-29T10:27:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But you dont see how you and them are the same things to the rest of us, maybe? If a subcap ratter and supercap ratter seem like the same thing to you, you either need bigger glasses, or a brain transplant. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And again, why not join Group X if they have what you want? Explained many times in this thread. If my objective was to be the richest krab in the new eden, I would be in a bloc, ratting in a super, with a dozen gilabots in tow. Somehow, every stupid lowsec bottom feeding poster here assumes it is, like there isn’t any other kind of players in nullsec. I hate blocs. I do not like what they bring to the game. I still remember N3 vs goons. I do not want to fall into that playstyle, I want to represent the alternative. Apparently, CCP does not want to have an alternative, as I get repeatedly shafted for it for no apparent reason. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Or more importantly, CCP? Or are you suggesting something more devious at play? If CCP had any ■■■■■■■ idea other than to destroy the game, blackout would’ve never happened. Thus, I do not see any other reasoning for their actions by pure act of elimination - there’s simply no other explanation left. Therefore I just have to treat the current balance team as a hostile entity, and appeal to anyone who can affect their decisions, by all means at my disposal. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/995 "2020-10-29T10:34:33Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > If a subcap ratter Oh Im sorry, did you say > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > dreadnought Or cruiser? Are you changing the goalposts because you know fine well that theres Null Krabs as far as the rest of us can see? And given how you are acting like one, what IS the difference? > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > If my objective Given your objective hasnt been cited as anything other than isk accumulation, its the only conclusion one can make from the facts you present. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I hate blocs. I do not like what they bring to the game. So you do want soimething that CCP have decided requires A but you dont want to do A because pride. I already figured that one, was kinda hoping you had a better answer. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > destroy the game Nope, they want to make money, something you arent doing for em by printing it, I guess vOv See, once more according to you its only jealousy when other people (who were cheering for blackout) liked seeing krabs get the shaft, but when its the other way around, its “poor me”. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > appeal to anyone I have to say I havent seen many your attitude appeals to by comparison to a wide variety of other choices, but its a public forum, so you never know. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/996 "2020-10-29T10:41:38Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Or cruiser? Dreadnoughts are for war, silly. No dreadnoughts = no way to contest Fax = no war. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Given your objective hasnt been cited as anything other than isk accumulation, its the only conclusion one can make from the facts you present. Given my objective has clearly been cited throughout the thread multiple times, you just failed to read. I indeed complain about ISK accumulation, while making my point, but it’s far off the center of things, which you somehow can’t see through the narrowness of your narrative. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So you do want soimething that CCP have decided requires A but you dont want to do A because pride. I already figured that one, was kinda hoping you had a better answer. It’s like you know you’ve been proved wrong, but just refuse to accept it. Silly. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Nope, they want to make money OH REALLY? WELL BLACKOUT MUST’VE WORKED WONDERS IN THAT DIRECTION. Going through with blackout has eliminated that objective, mate. It clearly had predictable opposite effect. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/997 "2020-10-29T10:48:18Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Given your objective hasnt been cited as anything other than isk accumulation > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Given my objective has clearly been cited throughout the thread multiple times, you just failed to read. > I indeed complain about ISK accumulation Im wrong because we both agree what your issue is? Uhhh ok, if you put as much effort into actually trying to dicuss instead of scoring points, you might do better. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > it’s far off the center of things, which you somehow can’t see through the narrowness of your narrative. Because “OOhh Null Blocs are better off than me” has its root in your perception of whats fair for you to earn, ergo, its about isk accumulation. And if this is wrong, how about explaining how like a grown-up, rather than going off on an emotive tangent? > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > It’s like you know you’ve been proved wrong Wrong about what? Your jealousy of Blocs or your greed for easy isk? > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Going through with blackout has eliminated that objective, mate. It clearly had predictable opposite effect. BO is offtopic, but if you insist; Did it reduce the amount of Isk you were sitting on? I know its hard for you to understand how other people are affected by your actions (or lack of), but if you reduce the amount of people playing the game who just hoard, then you reduce the hoard funds ingame, dont you. In short, they WANT you to either quit or spend. That is the bottom line. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498/998 "2020-10-29T10:58:14Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im wrong because we both agree what your issue is? Uhhh ok, if you put as much effort into actually trying to dicuss instead of scoring points, you might do better. You just clearly ignored that I was only complaining about it WHILE making my point about the problem, just to refuse to admit you’re being wrong, again. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Because “OOhh Null Blocs are better off than me” No, it’s because I’m getting the shaft that they were supposed to get. Which I explained a number of times, but since it doesn’t fit your quite narrow narrative, it got ignored again. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > BO is offtopic, but if you insist; Did it reduce the amount of Isk you were sitting on? I know its hard for you to understand how other people are affected by your actions (or lack of), but if you reduce the amount of people playing the game who just hoard, then you reduce the hoard funds ingame, dont you. Wait, so now CCP’s objective to make money was overshadowed by the objective to reduce the amount of ISK I was sitting on? Well, they failed that either, because I hunkered down pausing my sub for the entire duration of blackout and another 6 months after it. They could just ban me and achieve the same effect, so essentially it was a ban. But you will ignore all of it either, because getting shot down on your point of making money doesn’t fit your narrative as well, I guess. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > In short, they WANT you to either quit or spend. That is the bottom line. That is also contradictory. How are those changes going to make me spend? I will reduce my risks of ship losses I cannot replace to a minimum, and go on. I mean, I won’t be even mad if they applied the same nerf to everyone, you know. The only thing that makes me mad is that I get shat on for other man’s sins. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498.md?page=46) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-introduces-the-dynamic-bounty-system/275498.md?page=48)