# Concurrent/Peak Players, Retention, New Player Experience **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, low-sec, high-sec\ **Created:** [July 31, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671 "2025-07-31T18:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/62 "2025-08-10T00:55:24Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Name another over 2 decades old game that hasn’t….. I don’t play a lot of games, but the first decade of Eve was still constant growth, then CCP made decisions that made it into near constant loss. Eve’s player loss is not an effect of time. 1 decade = more players. 2 decades = 2 \* more players. Unless something was done to change what happens over time. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/63 "2025-08-10T08:16:23Z")
> [@Laubrani](#): > > I don’t play a lot of games Translates to: Don’t use facts and reason on me, that doesn’t help my narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/64 "2025-08-10T14:48:16Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Translates to: Don’t use facts and reason on me, that doesn’t help my narrative. Bold statement while ignoring the facts that follows the quoted sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/65 "2025-08-10T16:47:16Z")
Those are not facts, they’re mind farts. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/66 "2025-08-10T16:50:49Z")
> [@Laubrani](#): > > 2 decades = 2 \* more players 👩‍🏫 minermath ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/67 "2025-08-10T16:56:38Z")
> [@Laubrani](#): > > 2 decades = 2 \* more players doesn’t mean ■■■■. how many have passed away? how many are old and decrepit? how many just got bored of doing everything there is to do in EVE? how many just wanted to win? the problem is, the new batch of players coming into EVE and quickly leaving is due to the short attention span and self gratification that mobile games or WOW or similar games gives them, while EVE does not.. EVE will never have the numbers of WoW or Diablo etc. ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/68 "2025-08-10T17:38:09Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > how many have passed away? Likely most in the first decade than in the second, since there there we double as many people. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > how many are old and decrepit? Likely most in the first decade than in the second, since there there we double as many people. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > how many just got bored of doing everything there is to do in EVE? Very very rare to hear that as a reason for quitting. Fozzie Sov, Jump Fatique, not wanting to associated with CCPs marketing strategies, constant harm to high sec to force people to null. P2W. Are reasons I remember hearing. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > how many just wanted to win? Very very rare to hear that as a reason for quitting. Fozzie Sov, Jump Fatique, not wanting to associated with CCPs marketing strategies, constant harm to high sec to force people to null. P2W. Are reasons I remember hearing. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > the problem is, the new batch of players coming into EVE and quickly leaving is due to the short attention span and self gratification that mobile games or WOW or similar games gives them, while EVE does not Hard Eve did it even less than dead Eve does now. We have instant gratification P2W and many other things that didn’t use to be here. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/69 "2025-08-10T17:39:36Z")
> [@Laubrani](#): > > P2W whats that LSI? LSI were gaining ground back in 2011.. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/70 "2025-08-10T17:56:23Z")
The times I played eve in highsec in the past - I got ganked in highsec mining or transporting. So obviously if they nerfed it, and its not a “actual” thing anymore, im happy to hear it - ill ask some people to confirm it then. Just not interested in mining for 2 weeks and getting blown up and having to mine for 2 weeks again. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/71 "2025-08-10T17:58:11Z")
I mean im not subbed so no im not Enjoy the game as it is then. Im just not going to sub to that game, cause its just not what I want to do. I’d like to be able to opt in and out of fighting zones. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/72 "2025-08-10T17:58:56Z")
Really? When did they do that - and how did it go? ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/73 "2025-08-10T18:00:09Z")
The quantity of bots wont change cause you can mine safely in highsec. The bots are there anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/74 "2025-08-10T18:03:24Z")
Well CCP cant make a game just for me, but what I think would be the best solution is, that you have to go mine some stuff in lowsec, and thus you can opt in and out of dangerous zones. So for example last I played (before I quit when ganked) you had to go to lowsec to do some reactions and mine some specific ore. Then you went and had fun with that, I kinda liked that - but sometimes its just a long day at work, kids are yelling and are put to sleep. I honestly just want to sit and mine a bit, manage some planets and trading, plan how to build a specific ship etc. I’d just like the option to do that. And if its not in EVE thats happen - its fine - im not subbed. Just had the interest to check out EVE again. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/75 "2025-08-10T18:08:36Z")
if you wanna “opt out” of pvp, go play eve echoes. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/76 "2025-08-10T18:33:10Z")
EVE Echoes (EVE mobile), it’s still around, a carrier is like a trillion ISK or something crazy. No PVP in Hi sec so people can just farm all day. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/77 "2025-08-10T18:39:07Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > eve echoes Thanks but not going to play on mobile. Also - I dont want to opt out of PVP, I like it to a certain extent - just want some zones (like any other game) where you can focus on other parts of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/78 "2025-08-10T18:40:16Z")
well every 30 days create a new character… the starting systems (rookie) is the only place you can play without consequences.. after 30 days you’re on your own in the wide open areas of New Eden ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/79 "2025-08-10T18:40:29Z")
Not what im looking for but appreciate the suggestion i suppose. What I want is that CCP fixes what I assume is a problem for thousands of people that help a few bitter veterans that want some free fun - aka ganking in a twisted setting ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Stonewall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carl_stonewall/32/470110_2.png) [@Carl\_Stonewall](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carl_Stonewall)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/80 "2025-08-10T18:40:49Z")
Dumbest thing i’ve read this week ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concurrent-peak-players-retention-new-player-experience/494671/81 "2025-08-10T18:40:52Z")
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