# Consentual PvP as it should be in a free world **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836 "2024-03-05T02:49:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/81 "2024-03-05T20:43:55Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Noo…I’m not going to base my future in Eve on ‘hope’. we all base our future in eve on hope oO we all hope that CCP´s next update is a good one … > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’d have better things to spend my money on. nobody forces you to spend money on something unless the government with its taxes xD > [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > but those HS-Players would not have other people to share anything with. nobody would use their structures nobody uses orca-boost, nothing. yes this is true but still a lot of ppl would trade this for their 100% safety ! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/82 "2024-03-05T20:52:11Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > yes this is true but still a lot of ppl would trade this for their 100% safety ! I can see the gaming magazine headlines already… " **First ever zero PvP ’ No Pvp toggle’ battle fought in Eve**. Today two fleets of 500 ships met in lowsec, and nothing happened. Then…for another half an hour, nothing happened. Then after a few minutes people started firing huge rounds of sarcasm and salty comments at each other. Using CCPs brand new ’ how much salt can you type’ scoring system…and subtracting points for rudeness…it was decided that Salty Corporation won the battle. No ships were lost and there were no killmails…which saved CCP having to re-create them " ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/83 "2024-03-05T21:01:33Z")
I think he’s referencing the SSF mode with that comment, so that’s a different sphere of gameplay from big low-sec engagements. SSF players would basically be seen as “ghosts” in the game world (if at all), and vice versa. As far as the OP’s consent form is concerned, most big battles happen over structures. I’m not sure that it would be feasible to make structures themselves immune to attack with some kind of “toggle” as that would lead to unchecked proliferation. If the mechanic is limited to ships only, then the attacking force would still engage the structure, and the defending force would choose whether or not to engage back, which is effectively how things are right now anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/84 "2024-03-05T21:06:58Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think he’s referencing the SSF mode with that comment, so that’s a different sphere of gameplay from big low-sec engagements. Noo…I’m just sliding down the slippery slope before anyone else does. Do you really seriously think the ‘SSF mode’ would be the end of that line of whining ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/85 "2024-03-05T21:11:21Z")
My support for it isn’t for the sake of ending whining, but rather to add a new archetype of gameplay to EVE. Similar to how I proposed a “hardcore” mode to be added a few months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/86 "2024-03-05T21:27:21Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > where newer players, such as myself, can practice actual PvP combat mechanics without getting scrapped. Getting ‘scrapped’ is a vital part of learning and - if you take it seriously - of improving yourself. Never engage with those equal to or less skilled than yourself; you’ll learn nothing. There is no such thing as ‘a free world’. The very notion is ridiculous. All apparent freedoms are subject to limitations. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/87 "2024-03-05T21:34:35Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Never engage with those equal to or less skilled than yourself What if…What if there’s _no one else left?_ ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/d/0/ed025a4870b4c0dd7d6854932222cd98abae4c57.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/88 "2024-03-05T22:18:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > > > Never engage with those equal to or less skilled than yourself > > What if…What if there’s _no one else left?_ Hi Destiny, if EVE continues its current course, there will _be_ no one else left, as you clearly realise. Then those proposing these daft schemes can wallow in mollycoddled mediocrity. But I know that _your_ heart is in the right place (or at least, I have it on _good authority_…) 💓 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/89 "2024-03-05T22:21:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > but rather to add a new archetype of gameplay to EVE No, its a new archetype of non-gameplay. And a very silly one at that. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/90 "2024-03-05T22:22:14Z")
If you want to avoid PvP go to nullsec. Highsec is endgame PvP area. I’m not sure why people start there honestly, it makes no sense ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/91 "2024-03-05T22:29:22Z")
Then he would just complain about cloakey campers. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/92 "2024-03-05T22:29:23Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No, its a new archetype of non-gameplay. And a very silly one at that. Well, you can’t really know, since you don’t have experience with those modes. Both SSF (not the one discussed here but a _true_ open-world SSF mode) and HC modes are challenge modes that would offer a significant increase to the game’s difficulty level. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/93 "2024-03-05T22:32:07Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Then he would just complain about cloakey campers. Exactly, as I said, if you want to avoid PvP you have to go to nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/94 "2024-03-05T22:34:12Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > cloakey campers. Are what null cry about. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/95 "2024-03-05T22:37:51Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Well, you can’t really know, since you don’t have experience with those modes. Both SSF (not the one discussed here but a _true_ open-world SSF mode) and HC modes are challenge modes that would offer a significant increase to the game’s difficulty level. Don’t be so silly. Your SSF mode is just an absurd single player version of Eve. One that really would not even require being online in a **multiplayer** game…huh. There is nothing Massive, Multiplayer, or Online about such a game. ![silly](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/2/5/e25b3eee025fe4e55a02156de086a2e7f33e6554.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/96 "2024-03-05T22:38:37Z")
Yeah they dock up, cry and avoid PvP. It’s the null way of live. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/97 "2024-03-05T22:40:32Z")
> [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > I had the brilliant idea You are trolling right and welcome to the forums. > [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > i hope i will get an opportunity to shhot you in space one day 🙂 Well that’s nice for your 1st post . > [@milkyway\_miner](#): > > youre are not the first person who has wanted to shoot me speficlly matter a fact I once pissed of a pvp allince and it ended with me getting kicked froma corp but that not a story for today I’m sure we will all look forward to that story when you have time . Talking of stories, been following the adventures Ami on YouTube , if I didn’t know better this sounds like Destiny has been running tutorials on how to Eve. Take a look [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/e/0fe42627deeedda381e83dd2a21734aaa8c878a8.jpeg "Orca tackled in enemy space. Willingly let them take me down for the first time.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SYO-h1DxMo) ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/98 "2024-03-05T22:50:53Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Are what null cry about And they cried and cried until ccp gave in and put mobile observatories in the game… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/99 "2024-03-05T23:08:53Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > There is nothing Massive, Multiplayer, or Online about such a game. That’s why it’s a separate mode, and not a change to the existing game. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/100 "2024-03-05T23:18:23Z")
There’s nothing to stop you playing ssf in eve as it is. Several people have done so. Putting yourself in a bubble where you can’t interact or be interacted with is a major change to a core game design principle. Terrible idea. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836.md?page=6)