# Consentual PvP as it should be in a free world **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836 "2024-03-05T02:49:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/101 "2024-03-05T23:22:16Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Terrible idea. You’ll have to explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/102 "2024-03-05T23:37:44Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’ll have to explain why. How about “the entire game revolves around interaction” ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/103 "2024-03-05T23:38:48Z")
I already did. 1: there’s nothing to stop you doing this already. 2: existing in your own little bubble of immunity goes against a core design principle of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/104 "2024-03-05T23:42:05Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > existing in your own little bubble of immunity goes against a core design principle of the game. It does, but I don’t see what the issue is insofar as the core design principle isn’t being replaced, because the concept in question is a completely separate mode. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/105 "2024-03-06T00:06:54Z")
You wot? You want a mechanic that goes against core design principles and you justify it by going against another core design principle: the single shard, all in together principle. Dude. Just, no. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/106 "2024-03-06T00:13:32Z")
I’m not seeing any issues with that. It wouldn’t be splitting TQ into separate shards; it would be adding entirely new and separate gameplay experiences to the portfolio. Would you also complain if some other company made a space game with this sort of modified rule set, because it would go against the design principles of EVE Online? It’s really not that different in this regard, except in this case the developer of the separate game would be CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/107 "2024-03-06T00:15:37Z")
The mental gymnastics required to come up with that convoluted line of reasoning would put Olga Korbut to shame. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/108 "2024-03-06T00:17:15Z")
That’s great. Next time maybe you can try attacking the argument instead of the person making it. ---
**Author:** ![Nasty\_Shrimp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nasty_shrimp/32/413217_2.png) [@Nasty\_Shrimp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nasty_Shrimp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/109 "2024-03-06T00:33:27Z")
discussing just for the sake of discussing is not very constructive imho. what i am intersetd in is: what makes you go so against a single player mode Mephiztopheleze? not that i would want it fro myself, but i am just curious. i think a forum is there to gather oppinions. sadly some people here seem to use it as some kind of mental arena, to show how good they are at debating. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/110 "2024-03-06T01:00:13Z")
I did attack the idea, you responded with a very convoluted justification of your position while ignoring the points I’ve made. > [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > what i am intersetd in is: what makes you go so against a single player mode Mephiztopheleze? Partly because it could potentially fragment the player base. Mostly because this is a social mmo. It’s designed to require cooperation between players to achieve goals. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/111 "2024-03-06T01:17:28Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > I did attack the idea, you responded with a very convoluted justification of your position while ignoring the points I’ve made. I disagree. I made a clear argument for why it shouldn’t be an issue. To reiterate: the core design principles of EVE Online wouldn’t be changed, because these would be completely separate, different products, as opposed to slightly modified versions of the original created to appease specific player demographics. They would be separate games people would play in addition to EVE (like Vanguard) as opposed to EVE replacements. You’ll need to explain how that is “convoluted.” I recommend shifting your focus from _how_ an argument is, to _why_ an argument is. ---
**Author:** ![Nasty\_Shrimp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nasty_shrimp/32/413217_2.png) [@Nasty\_Shrimp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nasty_Shrimp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/112 "2024-03-06T02:17:52Z")
if it would fragment the player base is not clear. i think, most players, that really like eve and have been playing for a long time, would stay in the now existing game. some non-social people might go away, that would not be a loss imo and maybe it would lure some new people in, because they might not be that intimidated by a single-player-mode. EVE has the reputation of being very hard to learn, as you probably know. and i think, many players are afraid to be losing all the time, cause they do not have a chance in a hard to learn MMO that exists for over 20 years already don’t know. i mean, let’s not forget, this is all just theorycrafting ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/113 "2024-03-06T03:47:29Z")
what were they talking about I have not been keeping up with this forum ---
**Author:** ![Wachutu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wachutu/32/410262_2.png) [@Wachutu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wachutu)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/114 "2024-03-06T10:43:22Z")
Dude, you’re playing the wrong game. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/115 "2024-03-06T11:07:52Z")
> [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > there could be a pop-up if someone in space is trying to attack you. And if you do not allow it, he can’t do anything. > > Any thoughts on this? The pop-up should be for the attacker. It reads: “_Are you sure you want to attack this target? Attacking a Capsuleer costs 1 billion isk or 500 PLEX or 250 million LP. Please choose your currency and click ‘OK’_” ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/116 "2024-03-06T11:23:06Z")
> [@Calamity\_Unleashed](#): > > 1 billion isk or 500 PLEX 🤔 [https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/type/44992/](https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/type/44992/) ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/117 "2024-03-06T11:31:57Z")
@Uriel_the_Flame Don’t look for the logic in currency conversion, this is EvE. Even Reason has taken a walk. ---
**Author:** ![Nasty\_Shrimp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nasty_shrimp/32/413217_2.png) [@Nasty\_Shrimp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nasty_Shrimp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/118 "2024-03-06T14:05:09Z")
i can’t say i think that would be fair. It would mean, that old players could just kill everyone because they are rich. Hmmm now they can do it for the same reason… This Thread is leading nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/119 "2024-03-06T14:11:21Z")
> [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > Hmmm now they can do it for the same reason… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/4/6/0461048d042289dd69d8e7e91f9d0fc511ca878e.gif "Iron Man GIF - Iron Man - Discover & Share GIFs") > [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > This Thread is leading nowhere. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/8/e/48e7008493985ff87b167a9456440f5a12476084.gif "Liar Truth GIF - Liar Truth - Discover & Share GIFs") ---
**Author:** ![Nasty\_Shrimp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nasty_shrimp/32/413217_2.png) [@Nasty\_Shrimp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nasty_Shrimp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/consentual-pvp-as-it-should-be-in-a-free-world/441836/120 "2024-03-06T14:13:01Z")
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