# Continued Scarcity **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 19, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536 "2022-01-19T15:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/105 "2022-01-22T01:30:36Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Nothing Then wtf? > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Did you not anticipate a response? To tell you the truth I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/106 "2022-01-22T02:03:40Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I’ll never understand why people spend all their time searching for players that AREN’T looking for that. You consent to PvP as soon as you undock bruv 😃 > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Cowardly acts without consequences. Elite PvPer’s look for a good fight. Cowards look for easy targets with ZERO consequences and lots of loot. If you’re proud to be a coward, raise your hand and rejoice. You’ll always be looked upon and remembered as a coward. > > There’s a reason shooters choose gun-free zones…let that sink in. 1. The fact you keep bringing real life in is cringe 2. Good thing this is a vidya game 😃 3. They choose to be the victim bruv 😃 > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Pathetic is hiding your losses on zKills… Calm down ganker. You’re the one looking for a safe space. Imagine lying about being a LEO and a vet, and then also not knowing why you wouldn’t want everything on zkills. But you’re an elite PVPer right? 😃 > [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > There is a distinct difference between consensual and non consensual pvp . No there isn’t. As soon as you undock, you consent. All PvP is consensual 😃 > [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > EVE is most famous for its massive online battles across the gaming world not ganking , so your argument doesn’t hold up , people don’t complain about removing all pvp from the game , obviously some seem to complain about one style of it though Mm that and being a hive of scum and villainy. But now peeps just cry on the forums. > [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > Sorry but I must have missed that in the EULA . You must be happy with all aspects of the game or you shouldn’t log in Mm no that’s not how this works bruv. If you don’t wanna PvP, don’t undock 😃 > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Are you really calling ganking PvP? > > I’ve been playing for 18 years, do you think you came up with something new? > > I’m in J165006 if you want to PvP…no CONCORD to save you… Yes, ganking is PvP. It is all PvP. Ahh you’re a krab. Now everything makes sense 😃 All in your hole alone huh? ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/107 "2022-01-22T02:10:15Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > All in your hole alone huh? 🤣 > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Ahh you’re a krab. Now everything makes sense Frankly, I don’t know how that guy still has the gall to show his face in this forum. In his place, I would’ve biomassed and uninstalled but I guess shame isn’t a concept he understands. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/108 "2022-01-22T02:15:10Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > Frankly, I don’t know how that guy still has the gall to show his face in this forum. In his place, I would’ve biomassed and uninstalled but I guess shame isn’t a concept he understands. Eh, he’s just another internet tough guy lying about his life for attempted virtual clout. He’s also an American living in Kentucky which carries another whole host of problems. Basically, he’s a sad caricature of a man. I pity him really. Imagine how worked he up he gets over vidya game pixels 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/109 "2022-01-22T02:45:53Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Eh, he’s just another internet tough guy lying about his life for attempted virtual clout Like too many of his ilk. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > He’s also an American living in Kentucky which carries another whole host of problems. Don’t get me started on Kentucky… > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Basically, he’s a sad caricature of a man. I pity him really He’s cringy. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Imagine how worked he up he gets over vidya game pixels All those “anti-PvP” snowflakes should’ve read the game description three times and used a dictionary before they started dreaming about rocks, holes and getting isk-rich. It’s so pathetic I cringe for them. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > At this point ISD should just insta-lock any thread that mentions ganking as it’s all been discussed before here and even back on the old forums **^^ THAT ^^** May the ISD pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/110 "2022-01-22T03:50:50Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > > [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > > > There is a distinct difference between consensual and non consensual pvp . > > No there isn’t. As soon as you undock, you consent. All PvP is consensual 😃 Nice cliche , unfortunately it’s a little more complicated than that isn’t it because of concord involvement. If I undock in high sec I have to consent to concord protecting me or I lose my ship . CCP have chosen though to leave loopholes in this system which gankers exploit . So I have to face a one sided battle . While still technically pvp this is a fact . So while you are correct , it’s only because of CCPs complicity in leaving the concord loopholes and choosing not to better develop gate guns or allowing the navies that sit on the gates to intervene that players can partake in this one side style of pvp . So as I say while your technically correct it’s fairer to say you have to risk one sided pvp if you undock in high sec , hence the controversy over ganking . ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/111 "2022-01-22T04:07:57Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > Nice cliche , unfortunately it’s a little more complicated than that isn’t it because of concord involvement. > > If I undock in high sec I have to consent to concord protecting me or I lose my ship . CCP have chosen though to leave loopholes in this system which gankers exploit . So I have to face a one sided battle . > > While still technically pvp this is a fact . So while you are correct , it’s only because of CCPs complicity in leaving the concord loopholes and choosing not to better develop gate guns or allowing the navies that sit on the gates to intervene that players can partake in this one side style of pvp . > > So as I say while your technically correct it’s fairer to say you have to risk one sided pvp if you undock in high sec , hence the controversy over ganking . It is not more complicated. Different sectors of space carry different consequences for PvP. Regardless, as soon as you undock, you consent to PvP. There are no loopholes. Facpo does actually play a role. It sounds like you need to learn to EVE. It isn’t one sided. Gank them first bruv. You can choose not to, but then that means you have a choice 😃 So to summarize: 1. Undocking means consent to PvP, ergo all PvP is consensual 2. Learn to EVE kthx ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/112 "2022-01-22T04:15:33Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Learn to EVE kthx More clichés , think we are all always learning something new about the game we play all the time , that’s what makes it so exciting don’t think anyone can claim to have ‘learnt eve’ in its entirety . ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/114 "2022-01-22T04:18:11Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Interesting that you dodged everything else 😃 I’d already said what I wanted to say , thanks ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/116 "2022-01-22T04:22:09Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > CCP have chosen though to leave loopholes in this system which gankers exploit . So I have to face a one sided battle . You people keep talking about “CONCORD loopholes” this and “being protected by CONCORD” that, but you never actually explain what those loopholes are, or how gankers are _protected_ by CONCORD. All you do is desperately try to obfuscate your lack of genuine arguments with outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/117 "2022-01-22T04:25:03Z")
I credited you with more intelligence but to spell it out response times being longer than a warp to the nearest station ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/118 "2022-01-22T04:28:41Z")
CONCORD having a **maximum** response time of twenty-something seconds isn’t a “loophole.” It’s an intentional design decision that makes the act of ganking possible _at all._ Want to try again? ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/119 "2022-01-22T04:29:39Z")
Yes if you read my post I did say loopholes that CCP had deliberately designed ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/120 "2022-01-22T04:30:27Z")
Okay, so you don’t understand what the term “loophole” means, got it. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/121 "2022-01-22T04:33:39Z")
“an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules.” So an inadequacy in the set of rules that concord follow that means the security they provide isn’t total . ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/122 "2022-01-22T04:36:32Z")
except CONCORD doesn’t provide security… Their main job is to impart justice against a criminal that does an illegal act. Faction Police and Faction Navy work differently than CONCORD. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/123 "2022-01-22T04:41:11Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > “an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules.” > > So an inadequacy in the set of rules that concord follow that means the security they provide isn’t total . Except there is no ambiguity (the mechanic is well-documented, with timing tables freely available online), nor is there an inadequacy (the game mechanics are absolute and can’t be shirked in any manner) with regard to CONCORD. You’re interpreting the “inadequacy” portion of the definition as the mechanic not being powerful enough in your favor, which is your own subjective viewpoint, and not what “inadequacy” means with regard to the definition of “loophole.” To phrase it more simply: CONCORD taking longer to respond than what **you** feel is “right” isn’t a loophole. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/124 "2022-01-22T04:48:02Z")
Sorry programing the response time to be less than as fast as possible is a loophole , a deliberate one yes and a loophole that’s bigger ( more inadequate ) in lower security systems . ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/125 "2022-01-22T04:52:23Z")
the closer you get to lowsec, the slower they are going to respond cause CONCORD won’t care as you are getting further away from empire space. - 0.5: Roughly 19 seconds. - 0.6: Roughly 14 seconds. - 0.7 : Roughly 10 seconds. - 0.8 : Roughly 7 seconds. - 0.9 and 1.0: Roughly 6 seconds ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/126 "2022-01-22T04:53:27Z")
“As fast as possible” is simply instant ship destruction. So basically it sounds like you believe that ganking merely _existing_ is a loophole. In which case, stop your intellectual dishonestly and simply advocate for the removal of ganking entirely, as opposed to fixing “loopholes” that would only make it more “fair” or whatever, because obviously you want it gone completely. Just ask for a PvP toggle like the rest of the filthy carebears do. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536.md?page=7)