# Continued Scarcity **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 19, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536 "2022-01-19T15:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/168 "2022-01-22T11:45:55Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > Where I come from that’s called a loophole . You appear to be alone in that view. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/169 "2022-01-22T12:31:30Z")
Yes I think several of them seem to think I’m accusing them of exploiting which isn’t the case I’m talking about the security of high sec and why it isn’t total … lore / RP wise ---
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/170 "2022-01-22T13:07:17Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > I’m talking about the security of high sec and why it isn’t total That’s where you trip. There is NO “security” in EVE, only punishment that happens to come sooner or later. The descriptions of space in New Eden ( high “sec”, low “sec”, null “sec” ) do not pertain to the _Security_ given to anyone but only pertain to the **time it takes** for CONCORD to respond. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/171 "2022-01-22T14:21:57Z")
> [@L\_Amour](#): > > **time it takes** for CONCORD to respond. Yes very quick in 1.0 making it more secure against piracy and slower in the lower numbers until 0.5 being the slowest response and least secure against piracy So there definitely is a concept of security in the game , hence why CCP named it system security. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/172 "2022-01-22T14:51:08Z")
So you are arguing the lore/rp behind this? Why start this off topic here, and create a topic under lore discussion then? ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/173 "2022-01-22T14:53:22Z")
My apologies , never intended to totally derail the thread , its just the way the conversation developed . ---
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/174 "2022-01-22T15:02:01Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > So there definitely is a concept of security in the game , hence why CCP named it system security There is indeed a concept of _security_ in EVE, but **NOT for the capsuleers** , ONLY for the individual solar systems with regards to **how fast CONCORD reacts**. CONCORD aren’t cops, they do not provide security for the capsuleers, they’re not bodyguards, they’re only judges and executioners. When CONCORD shows up, it’s **NOT FOR YOU** , it’s for whoever infringed on the rules of the system: namely the system security status. They show up even if NO capsuleer is in “danger”. Try to shoot an NPC structure or a gate and see what happens. CONCORD aren’t your friends. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/175 "2022-01-22T15:12:01Z")
Perhaps your right conceptually but the response time effects capsuleers security as piracy is more expensive and difficult in higher security systems , therefore capsuleers are better secured against it . ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/176 "2022-01-22T15:20:24Z")
Much like in real life the only thing stopping you from doing crime in hisec is the consequences. Much like in real life you can choose to commit crime in hisec and face the consequences (destruction, in EVE’s case). The mechanic has been and is fully intentional in EVE. PVP is not griefing and you have no real security anywhere. There is only consequence for action, and whether it’s delivered by NPCs or players depends on where you are and when. If CONCORD kills a Catalyst before it pops your mining vessel, it’s incidental. ---
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/177 "2022-01-22T15:24:05Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > the response time effects capsuleers security as piracy is more expensive and difficult in higher security systems , therefore capsuleers are better secured against it That’s what is intended with the mechanics put in place by CCP, it does affect capsuleers since capsuleers are in space and we are free agents but not solely because of piracy. There’re a whole slew of reasons for which CONCORD would react but it has _nothing_ to do with providing _you_ with security. CONCORD doesn’t care about you… unless you infringe on the rules of the system you’re in. They’re **punishers** , not **protectors**. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/178 "2022-01-22T15:29:57Z")
> [@L\_Amour](#): > > > [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > > > the response time effects capsuleers security as piracy is more expensive and difficult in higher security systems , therefore capsuleers are better secured against it > > That’s what is intended with the mechanics put in place by CCP, it does affect capsuleers We agree then and I for one am thankful regardless of concords intent ---
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/179 "2022-01-22T15:37:25Z")
> [@Aida\_Aragon](#): > > We agree then and I for one am thankful regardless of concords intent I guess we agree, but there’s really nothing to be thankful for although that’s a nice sentiment you’re expressing. It’s only game mechanics designed by CCP in order to delineate the different sectors of space, not designed with capsuleer security in mind. There is no security in New Eden, only areas where CONCORD reacts within a time frame dictated by the security levels of the solar systems. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/180 "2022-01-22T16:14:51Z")
The skilled gankers do math. They figure out how many catalysts, thrashers, or tornados a target will require to be alpha’d off the field. 19 seconds is forever because they don’t even have to do it with one shot. I’ve wondered, since catalysts seem the be the most common for gank swarms, if emphasizing kinetic and thermal in your tank wouldn’t be a good anti-gank thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_Beldrulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ash_beldrulf/32/473706_2.png) [@Ash\_Beldrulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ash_Beldrulf)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/181 "2022-01-22T20:10:20Z")
[@ISD](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/isd) Please close post or delete off topic posts. Post was highjacked. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/182 "2022-01-22T20:45:58Z")
that doesn’t work the way you think it does… you need to actually tag an isd member… @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/183 "2022-01-22T21:17:17Z")
@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras He could always flag his OP as “inappropriate” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/184 "2022-01-22T21:58:08Z")
> [@Mina\_Zealot](#): > > He could always flag his OP as “inappropriate” 🤣 You’re so mean. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/185 "2022-01-22T22:13:23Z")
What! I’m just trying to help. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/186 "2022-01-22T22:15:22Z")
> [@Leggone\_Stracks](#): > > I’ve wondered, since catalysts seem the be the most common for gank swarms, if emphasizing kinetic and thermal in your tank wouldn’t be a good anti-gank thing Taking notes… Best way to find out is to try. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536/187 "2022-01-22T22:27:23Z")
> [@Leggone\_Stracks](#): > > I’ve wondered, since catalysts seem the be the most common for gank swarms, if emphasizing kinetic and thermal in your tank wouldn’t be a good anti-gank thing. Most definitely don’t want thermal or kinetic holes, but coercers, purifiers, thrashers, and tornados are not infrequently used. Hard to say what ammo the latter two most often use. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/continued-scarcity/346536.md?page=10)