# Could we change the rules of engagement in the eve forum? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 24, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930 "2018-06-24T16:32:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/82 "2018-06-25T20:42:14Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > There is no such thing as “feminazis”. > **[Urban Dictionary: Feminazi](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Feminazi)** > > Feminazi: a type of feminist that considers men to not be sentient, and it's therefore justified to do horrible things with them. (just like hitler considered the jews) Feminazi: Probably has corpses in their basement and forgets that she does > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > A feminazi takes it two a whole new level, going beyond womens rights and straight into hatred of men. They are a very real thing, and if you desire proof, go search youtube for some utterly cringe-worthy examples. Seriously. Go do a little time on youtube on the topic. You’ll see they’re real. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Because she finds you unfunny and blurts back, your little ego is so incredibly hurt that _a woman_ dares to do that, that you declare yourself such a huge victim, just like a victim of nazis. > > You’re pathetic. You mistakenly assume I take issue with their opinion or response. I don’t. My ego remains unaffected, my opinions (which were never harmful to begin with) remain unaffected. I do not declare myself a victim, because their umbrage is of zero importance to me. If you’d prefer a less offensive term, feel free to substitute “radical feminist” in, in fitting with the above linked urban dictionary reference. I’ll note that at no point did I say they were wrong for getting angry at it, nor did I at any point say that they were in the wrong for not laughing. You, on the other hand, have inferred these things because you’ve taken offense and are quite clearly engaged in ad hominem because of the offense you’ve taken. ---
**Author:** ![Kanzero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanzero/32/394038_2.png) [@Kanzero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanzero)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/83 "2018-06-25T20:49:29Z")
SJW garbage people have no place in EVE. If you are unable to participate in a conversation, because you are too easily offended, the problem lies with you. I recommend this to all the easily offended snowflakes: ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/84 "2018-06-25T20:49:37Z")
> [@THX\_1138c](#): > > my point is it should not effect your gameplay if I make death threats to you because I lost my hauler with all my possessing’s to you. > you might think im a total retard and in this case it might be a fakt. > but never then less it should not effect how ccp handles your account and bann it in instances. > > this is the job of irl concord aka police to get behind that and if they think the threat is legit they will enforce law upon me. > > non of ccps business since it doesn’t have anything to do with the legal rights ccp has. If you make death threats it most certainly is CCP’s business. You are breaking a law (in most countries at least) while using their medium of communication, and they have legal obligations to cooperate with law enforcement, and to make sure crimes like these don’t happen again. You are also using CCP’s platform/software/whatever to spout vile stuff, and they have every right to say “no, keep that garbage away from our game!” Yes, it’s their game, you are paying for the privilege to use it, and they have EVERY right to revoke that privilege for whatever reason they seem fit. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/85 "2018-06-25T20:51:00Z")
> [@Kanzero](#): > > SJW garbage people have no place in EVE. Shrug, they’re fun to trigger. That’s just straight-up trolling for fun though. Tears are tears. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/86 "2018-06-25T22:03:06Z")
The US’s stance on things like nudity is somewhat puritan and misplaced tbh, for example showing a nipple on TV is frowned upon, but showing someone taking a bullet to the head is acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/87 "2018-06-25T22:07:23Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > As evidenced by several players posts being hidden or removed on a daily basis, I think it’s safe to say that we have several easily offended snowflakes on this forum… This is why we need Forced Undock Timer and Mandatory Flight Time ☠ ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/88 "2018-06-25T23:29:17Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The US’s stance on things like nudity is somewhat puritan and misplaced tbh, for example showing a nipple on TV is frowned upon, but showing someone taking a bullet to the head is acceptable. Agreed on that. It really is weird. > [@Kanzero](#): > > If you are unable to participate in a conversation, because you are too easily offended, the problem lies with you. Well obviously everyone who takes part in this conversation, is able to take part in this conversation, duh. Also your impotent wish to determine who has and doesn’t have a place in EVE is just laughable. Rage and cry all you want, you can’t change anything. If you are unhappy with the rules specified in the EULA/ToS, CCP clearly states that you may at any time withdraw your consent and delete your account. > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > You mistakenly assume I take issue with their opinion or response. I don’t. My ego remains unaffected, my opinions (which were never harmful to begin with) remain unaffected. I do not declare myself a victim, because their umbrage is of zero importance to me. Okay, if you say so… I won’t poke into your self-notion any further. > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > If you’d prefer a less offensive term, I don’t know you and while we currently talk here on the Forums, you are a stranger to me. Don’t take this the wrong way, but just because I think your hate for women is pathetic doesn’t mean that I feel offended. It’s more a mixture of a bit of pity for you and hinting that while you can think whatever you want, you probably shouldn’t break the law as a result of it. I mean, maybe you are one of those women-haters who let words follow actions, sexually harass them, molest girls or whatever. Maybe you just had some sad experiences which were too hard to swallow for you and left you broken-hearted and you drown your suffering in hate. Who knows. It doesn’t matter for the purpose of this discussion though. The fact is that the rules in EVE and laws in our countries are made in order to keep public safety and order. Everyone has a right to live in relative peace. If you have a problem with women, I find it sad for you, but it is your thing and unless you bother other people with your issues, no one will give a damn about it. However, if you think your opinion justifies to break the law, sexually harass women or call them names, not only is it wrong, but also will you some day meet someone who will not let you get away with harassing their mother, sister, daughter or wife. In that regard maybe you should imagine any female you might care about meeting a stranger copy of yourself. How would you feel about it? Would you tell your wife to HTFU if someone called her names because she’s a woman? Would you call her “feminaiz” because she didn’t find it funny? Would you laugh at your mom for being sexually harassed? Would you tell your daughter that she’s too easily offended if some jerk makes indecent remarks about her? > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > You, on the other hand, have inferred these things because you’ve taken offense and are quite clearly engaged in ad hominem because of the offense you’ve taken. Sorry for not being offended and sorry if you feel offended by whatever I said. It really wasn’t intended. …See? p.s. Ad hominem is not when you point out how sad someone is pointing out the hate for women they expressed. If your statement is personal, it’s only fair to answer to it on the same level. ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/89 "2018-06-26T01:48:18Z")
If name-calling and being offensive are genuinely the only things you want to post on the forums, my advice would be to log off. If the best you can do in society is complain about “snowflakes” ruining everything, my advice would be to move to a cabin in the mountains where the mere existence of others can’t bother you as much. If punching down is the only form of humor you enjoy, my advice would be to find a primary school playground where your ideas can be enjoyed by your peers. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/90 "2018-06-26T01:57:04Z")
Ironic thing is, “Civility” has become a bit of a hot topic in RL. Just goes to show, those who dish it out, can’t always eat it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/91 "2018-06-26T02:08:11Z")
Very well said and 100% correct. They all talk big shet here while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet yet when met face to face: ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/92 "2018-06-26T04:21:08Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Don’t take this the wrong way, but just because I think your hate for women is pathetic doesn’t mean that I feel offended. You apparently failed to read all of what I have said: > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > I myself support equality. Straight up equality. Equal pay, equal responsibilities in both the household and workplace, equal social expectation. In many ways, that makes me a feminist, save for the fact that I don’t care enough to actually advocate for it. Not my fight. Truthfully, I regard women the same as I regard everyone else… by doing my best to disregard them until they become relevant to me in some way. Yes, we are strangers. I could be lying through my teeth, or I could be telling you the truth. You decide. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Would you tell your wife to HTFU if someone called her names because she’s a woman? My ex is probably one of the strongest people I know, she made it through ■■■■ that has claimed many lives and that’s something she’ll always have my respect for. I wouldn’t need to tell her to HTFU. However, to directly answer your question, my answer would be “IS she a feminazi?” Does she exhibit the described behaviour? If so, then yes. If not, then she needn’t worry because it’s no different than anyone else trying to mislabel you to vilify you. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Sorry for not being offended and sorry if you feel offended by whatever I said. It really wasn’t intended. …See? > > p.s. Ad hominem is not when you point out how sad someone is pointing out the hate for women they expressed. If your statement is personal, it’s only fair to answer to it on the same level. No offense taken - like you adeptly stated, we’re strangers. Your opinion’s weight is adjusted accordingly. My belief that you’ve taken offense is based on the apparent anger in your response. Text is poor at conveying such things though, so meh. That said, allow me to point out your ad hominem. For the record, if you believe any of the below to be true, quote whatever I said which you feel validates such a claim. As none of the claims relate to my argument and directly attack my character, they are indeed ad hominem. No offense taken, merely pointing out that it makes your argument sound less reasoned and more REEEEEEEEEEasoned. Which is harmful to otherwise interesting discourse. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I mean, fair enough, if you didn’t learn any other form of humor than pointing at something, laughing as loud as you can and expect others to join in, it may not be your fault. **(needs no explanation, yes?)** > // > But… being all sad and bitter about people not laughing about uninspired, uncomical things you say and then calling them feminazis is just weak. **(at what point did I indicate I was sad and/or bitter? I quite clearly indicated the opposite, that it was tasteless. More to the point, at no time did I say that I resorted to namecalling as a result; I merely used the term as an adjective to describe the now-known disposition of the audience for the joke)** > // > Don’t act all bitchy when others don’t laugh with you. **(again, I did not even touch the topic of my response to their anger, you inferred that I would get butthurt by them not laughing)** > // > Maybe you have yet to find a way to impress women in a way different than trying hard to be funny or pulling their hair. **(again, probably no explanation needed)** > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > your little ego is so incredibly hurt that a woman dares to do that, that you declare yourself such a huge victim, just like a victim of nazis. **(…and again…)** > // > You’re pathetic. **(okay, last one)** ---
**Author:** ![Quantus\_Sumerian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quantus_sumerian/32/78410_2.png) [@Quantus\_Sumerian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quantus_Sumerian)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/93 "2018-06-26T06:16:42Z")
Can we all just stop fighting in this thread? Cant we all come to some peace and unite in agreement that President Donald John Trump deserves the Nobel Peace prize for sending his selected C.I.A. director Mike Pompeo on a secret mission during Easter Sunday to fly into North Korea to show Little Rocket Man our secret alien technology and brokering a path towards peace in the Korean peninsula after more than 70 years of war? Let us put aside our differences and unite under President Donald John Trumps banner of world peace. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/94 "2018-06-26T06:51:58Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Truthfully, I regard women the same as I regard everyone else… by doing my best to disregard them until they become relevant to me in some way. Yes, we are strangers. I could be lying through my teeth, or I could be telling you the truth. You decide. Yeah that makes sense, most people don’t personally know most of the people. When you say you “support equality” with both equal opportunities and responsibilities, I can get behind that. However, you will probably know that in different ways we are far from equality, including but not only between women and men. Feeling the need to change that, or what to change specifically, might differ from wherever a person is looking at it. I think “equality” is not something that can only be looked at from one side like men/women, but really needs to account for all factors, including financial background of the family one came from. The latter is something that many regular people will recognize as a huge inequality source, when they know they can’t send their kid to some elite uni that would open all the doors for them later. So men/women inequalities are certainly not the only issue. That being said, I don’t see how you can say you “support equality” and then, in your self-chosen artificial example call someone “feminazi”, which at the least is an attempt to completely discredit them, paint them in the worst possible way to shut their voices down. As an ironic joke between friends after some extreme example, laughing both about the person who flipped out and the backwardish idea to call them “feminazi”, sure why not. Words depend on the their context. As a serious statement and definition, no. It just doesn’t fit to “supporting equality”. It just screams “I’m the victim” in an extreme overreaction to what may have been an overreaction to a joke attempt. I have no reason to believe that you are lying here. What I meant is that we don’t know each other and so I can’t tell how you came to the conclusion that using said word is a viable thing to do. While not ignoring what you said, I don’t feel the need to create an image of you in my head that discredits you in the worst possible way. It would be unfair and could only lead to misunderstanding, not clarification. > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > My ex is probably one of the strongest people I know, she made it through ■■■■ that has claimed many lives and that’s something she’ll always have my respect for. I wouldn’t need to tell her to HTFU. However, to directly answer your question, my answer would be “IS she a feminazi?” Does she exhibit the described behaviour? If so, then yes. If not, then she needn’t worry because it’s no different than anyone else trying to mislabel you to vilify you. Again, the thing is that “feminazi” is purely a word construct by women-haters, unless you refer to female supporters or members of nazi organisations (in which case it seems odd to point out that they are females). You vaguely described the behaviour as a perceived overreaction to what you thought is funny. How does that fit this word construction? Apart from being somewhat disrespectul towards families that lost people during the war against the nazis, it is just pure vilification of women who are fed up with the same lame old anti-women jokes. So, would you call your ex, who earned your deepest respect for being a fighter, a “feminazi” for flipping out when some random dude makes an anti-women joke towards her? Note: a joke always contains the risk to piss someone off, to backfire onto us - we should be able to take that and not react all hurt and whiny when our audience or the target of the joke snaps back. Hell, I’ve made extreme jokes with people I know, but on rare occasions I totally misjudged the other and we ended up in awkward discussions rather than having a quick moment of laughing about the insanities of life together. Sometimes that helped me refine my view on the world and sometimes it just meant we didn’t agree and couldn’t become friends. At no point did it make sense to vilify them for not sharing my humor. > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > No offense taken - like you adeptly stated, we’re strangers. Your opinion’s weight is adjusted accordingly. My belief that you’ve taken offense is based on the apparent anger in your response. Text is poor at conveying such things though, so meh. Okay, I can just tell you that what you write doesn’t anger me. While I think you are totally in the wrong thinking that there are “feminazis”, it doesn’t mean that I’m angry. The way you write suggests that you don’t aim for being offensive or induce anger, which is good. Maybe that’s the reason I think a discussion is worth it for both of us. > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > That said, allow me to point out your ad hominem. For the record, if you believe any of the below to be true, quote whatever I said which you feel validates such a claim. As none of the claims relate to my argument and directly attack my character, they are indeed ad hominem. No offense taken, merely pointing out that it makes your argument sound less reasoned and more REEEEEEEEEEasoned. Which is harmful to otherwise interesting discourse. Right, let me take a look at it. So the first 3 refer to your use of “feminazi”, which I still see as an extreme attempt at self-victimizing, because you didn’t like the reaction of the other to your joke. Resorting to completely unlogical concepts like “feminist=nazi” after you were pissed off about being snapped at, just speaks for itself. Now you claim that this would be a correct concept, which is absolutely is not. Linking an urban dictionary entry shows nothing else than this word-construct being used by some people; it does not tell anything about it being anywhere near truth. So yeah, when you call someone a nazi for being pissed off about a joke they found unfunny, you are harshly overreacting which leads to the not so weird conclusion, that you indeed were hurt by this reaction, or bitter, or sad or whatever. It certainly isn’t a calm and cool reaction that would show you can take the reply. The 4th one (impress…) yeah. It wasn’t meant as ad hominem, but I see that one can see it as that. It was probably something that I could just have kept for me, as it is the result of trying to not vilify you, but deliver a possible explanation for what you wrote (that’s why I used “maybe”), without resorting to putting you in a corner of being a women-hater. “Feminazi” certainly is a bat ■■■■ crazy women-haters word, but that doesn’t mean everyone who uses it, is such a person. It’s not “just a word” like no word ever is, but I prefer to not to automatically put people into boxes while discussing with them. Not because that would be unfair, but because then I stop myself from learning something new. But yeah, I see what you mean. It wasn’t necessary and after all it was pure speculation. There are many other “maybe” reasons why you would use that word, most of which are worse than my example, but maybe there are other reasons. 5th (victim…) again, referring to your use of the word “feminazi”. Factually by using this word, you claim that the other is a nazi and within the context you use it you say that you’re the victim of them mistreating you. The part about the ego again is an attempted explanation of why you would chose to self-victimize yourself. Another one would be that you are a highly ideological women-hater. If there are other reasons, let me know. Nevertheless, yeah, it was speculation with giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you may be scarred by bad experience and thus overreact, rather than being a strategic hate-monger. Sorry if I was wrong. Of course there is also the possiblity that you simply don’t care about any meaning of any term, alas it would seem unlikely given what you’ve written here. Let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/95 "2018-06-26T07:19:21Z")
Dear God, what a ■■■■■■■■ thread. You guys feels offended? On forums? In times when internet trolls are everywhere? If you feels offended on EvE forums, EvE is not the game for you. Just log off and sit in the corner crying. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/96 "2018-06-26T07:35:48Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > Dear God, what a ■■■■■■■■ thread. You guys feels offended? On forums? **In times when internet trolls are everywhere?** If you feels offended on EvE forums, EvE is not the game for you. Just log off and sit in the corner crying. I’ve found one! ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/97 "2018-06-26T08:01:27Z")
> [@Quantus\_Sumerian](#): > > Can we all just stop fighting in this thread? Cant we all come to some peace and unite in agreement that President Donald John Trump deserves the Nobel Peace prize for sending his selected C.I.A. director Mike Pompeo on a secret mission during Easter Sunday to fly into North Korea to show Little Rocket Man our secret alien technology and brokering a path towards peace in the Korean peninsula after more than 70 years of war? It certainly was a smart strategic move. After a failed attempt in trying to restore Japanese colonial rule 1945, after the Korean population had seen massacres and mass rape by exactly those Japanese invaders, the US military resorted to behave like an invader themselves and oppress any self-organization attempt of the Korean people, because they deemed them communist. In 1948 they installed a puppet regime after a joke of an election under Rhee (who didn’t even live in Korea the 40 years prior), who became a mass murderer of his own people, ordering the killings of several 100.000 thousands of Koreans who he suspected to be supporters of communism or simply wanted unification of Korea. With the US becoming an invader in Korea right after WW2, in which Korea was a victim of Axis powers, tensions were on the rise. It became more and more obvious that the entire reason for the US to join war efforts was not to fight the Axis powers, but to fight communism. After all, almost everywhere in the world (most notably Europe, Asia, South America), the Communists were the ones who defeated the Axis. In Korea as well as in Europe, the US showed up after the job had been done, just to try to make sure the guys who just defeated Fascism, won’t get a chance to introduce socialist economic systems. Then around 1950 North Koreans reacting to the mass murders and oppressive system in the South, which was artificially separating the country under the rule of a putted government, tried to finally liberate their home country after decades of foreign occupation. The puppet government in South Korea had very thin public support and tried to deal with it, by mass executions of several 100.000 people. The US “intervened” to protect their puppet regime and their ongoing air raids completely destroyed any and all North Korean infrastructure. North Korea is just one of many nowadays “3rd world countries” that was once prosper and self-developed and had been completely destroyed by years of US area bombing. Just look at Cambodia, once the most well developed country in all of South-East Asia, after the US was done with it, now one of the poorest countries of the world. So if you call countries “under developed” it might be worth a look how it came to that. Then of course Trump. It’s a smart move. First painting North Korea as the next culprit to stop people from looking at the “slight” issues the US currently has inside the country with poverty and such and then making a move to negotiate to make himself look like a peacekeeper. Gotta say, people who say that the Trump administration is purely stupid, are surely wrong. In a 100 years from now, when historians have the liberty to look at all the facts without people reaction all angry, this will probably be the reason why history then will look down on the US as the worst menace of mankind in the 2nd part of the 20th century, but also as a tragic figure whose decay started exactly in the moment its preferred economic system completely ruled the world. All the mass murder they have committed, all the puppet regimes they had installed, all the torture, poverty, sex slavery and destruction they brought over the world, has finally resulted in really everyone playing their game. When this happened, when countries like China and Russia waved away the idea of social equality, the US was doomed to lose its iron and bloody chokehold they had over the world after WW2. Isn’t that somewhat comical? I mean, sure it is cruel and also really sad for a lot of good folks in the US and all of that. Insane even. But really comical. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/98 "2018-06-26T08:19:39Z")
Well, I guess this thread has just about expired. Time for beer while seeing whether there are any responses to the masterful baiting. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/102 "2018-06-26T09:10:37Z")
> [@Quantus\_Sumerian](#): > > Strange that after dropping two nuclear weapons on Japan, they seemed to recover. I wonder why Communist North Korea could not? Hmmmm… Because the US befriended all Axis powers during or directly after WW2. They let tens of thousands former SS become US citizens, some of which have been directly linked to US torture programs in South America etc. Japan and US both hated Socialism and the US used Japan as a bridgehead/buffer/strategic partner in the Pacific, because they couldn’t find any other. Okay, they also supported Thailand, which was also an Axis power and the base for the US invasion of Vietnam. They tried the same they did in Korea with Cambodia and Vietnam, efficiently destroying Cambodia, but in Vietnam it didn’t work. Some weaker attempts like the so-called civil rights support of the US for Tibet (aka supporting the culture of child molesting monks who rule brutally over a poor country, in order to weaken China), building up Islamists against the Soviets (which later horribly backfired with 9/11 to the US population) and so on. The US supported Japanese economic development while they waged trade wars since during WW2 against any even remotely socialist country. The US government never cared about Fascism. They supported it where they could in order to fight against non-capitalist economies. They didn’t care to intervene against Nazi Germany before the Soviet Army had turned the war in front of Moskow and was on their way to Berlin. They tried to support the Nazi-allies Ustasha in Croatia still during the war and so on. They f\*cked over self-organized Allies on numerous pacific islands who gave their life in order to support the US pacific war. The story goes on and on and on and on. It’s just like it is. The population in the US wants to believe their country is just and good for the world, that is understandable. It’s just not true. Trump isn’t the baddie here, he is just the logical consequence of a former evil empire having reached its peak of power and now being in slow decline. > [@Quantus\_Sumerian](#): > > I guess every story has two sides. Definetely true. Still, I find that history has a really weird sense of humor. After the US made sure the first row of attempts for global equality failed, after uncounted wars they waged, after lie campaign after lie campaign, after enslaving and imprisoning a huge part of their own population, they have finally reached their goal: global capitalism. And in this exact same moment, the downfall of the US as the unquestionable No. 1 Superpower started. because they can’t find new culprits, they have to resort to the same protective measures any other capitalist country uses, they have a harder and harder time lying to their own population about “communist threat”, when their people see that the system within the US is simply botched. Maybe that’s the reason why Trump won: because Hillary represented the old idea of US hegemony and Trump really fits better to the actual reality of the US today, being a deeply divided country which is in the process of losing its former glory and in all that chaos starts to eat itself. Weirdly funny, but also sad, because I know many Americans and I like them. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Ambulance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_ambulance/32/48290_2.png) [@Black\_Ambulance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Ambulance)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/103 "2018-06-26T09:14:15Z")
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**Author:** ![z0rberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rberg/32/29223_2.png) [@z0rberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rberg)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930/104 "2018-06-26T09:16:08Z")
Aaaand flagged already. Truth hurts you folks, I know. Also, what the above guy posted. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/could-we-change-the-rules-of-engagement-in-the-eve-forum/84930.md?page=6)