# Count the ways to engage in Hi/Losec without loosing security status? **URL:** \ **Category:** New Citizens Q&A\ **Created:** [November 14, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171 "2017-11-14T01:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mo\_Skor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mo_skor/32/18481_2.png) [@Mo\_Skor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mo_Skor)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/1 "2017-11-14T01:09:06Z")
Point me there. Does it go something like this?: criminal suspect bounty at war successful bait duel accepted security status below -5 terrible standing ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/2 "2017-11-14T01:26:15Z")
Bounty and Terrible standing don’t mean anything as far as being able to legally engage someone. At the same time, successful bait is the same as being suspect or baiting someone else to be suspect. So being able to engage without losing security status is: 1. Other player criminal 2. Other player suspect 3. Other player outlaw (sec status \<-5.0) 4. Other player is a war target 5. Duel accepted 6. Have a limited engagement with other player ---
**Author:** ![Ivory\_Harcourt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivory_harcourt/32/368154_2.png) [@Ivory\_Harcourt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivory_Harcourt)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/3 "2017-11-14T23:18:00Z")
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**Author:** ![Solomar\_Espersei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solomar_espersei/32/174500_2.png) [@Solomar\_Espersei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solomar_Espersei)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/4 "2017-11-15T19:22:59Z")
You have active Kill Rights on the Pilot or Someone has made them publicly available. ---
**Author:** ![Pepsicor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pepsicor/32/25472_2.png) [@Pepsicor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pepsicor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/5 "2017-11-16T13:51:56Z")
> [@Solomar\_Espersei](#): > > You have active Kill Rights on the Pilot or Someone has made them publicly available. How would this player with a publicly available Kill Right show up on your screen? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/6 "2017-11-17T22:38:36Z")
Overview can be configured that way to show players with public killrights. But it’s not a new class, as activating a killright does nothing more as making the target suspect for the usual 15min. ---
**Author:** ![Khergit\_Deserters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khergit_deserters/32/319315_2.png) [@Khergit\_Deserters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khergit_Deserters)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/7 "2017-11-18T00:16:37Z")
As a side note: PVP in low sec tends to just little by little low your sec status. Unless you podkill. Shooting pods is a fairly rapid way to deep negative sec status. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/count-the-ways-to-engage-in-hi-losec-without-loosing-security-status/39171/8 "2018-02-16T00:17:20Z")
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