# Counterplays to Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 13, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821 "2025-06-13T19:14:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/61 "2025-09-04T21:57:49Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > Aligning is essentially just pointing your ship in the direction of where you want to warp to. When I am alignIng. Once the ship is moving in into alignment I hit stop quick.. As I have found that as it is stopping, the ship completes the alignment. That’s a misconception. Aligning requires movement and direction. The direction your ship faces is purely cosmetic and is not relevant for gameplay. If your ship is stopped it is not aligned. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Oh come off it. That doesn’t work after a few seconds….when you’ve put yourself out of range of whatever asteroid. You are either mining or you aren’t…..you cannot have a lasting state of ‘aligning’ and still mine…you might as well just immediately dock up. You do not have to align _all the time_ while mining, just when you spot danger. It takes about 100 seconds before you drift out of 20km mining laser range at 200m/s, which is plenty to stay aligned after potential hostiles enter your system until they’re gone again. And worst case after 90 seconds you pick another object to align to in the opposite direction and now you can drift another 200 seconds uninterrupted while fully aligned. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/62 "2025-09-04T23:51:41Z")
A retriever does not stop on a dime.. After you hit stop it slowly comes to a stop. As i align I hit stop. Which allows the retriever to come to a slow stop as it aligns. Again a retriever does not just stop. Come to that nor does a venture come to a quick stop. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/63 "2025-09-05T00:01:20Z")
Happy cake day! > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If your ship is stopped it is not aligned. Yeah, I wish I had better control over my low speed. Can’t seem to get very low speeds with the current sys? ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/64 "2025-09-05T00:11:42Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > That’s a misconception. > > Aligning requires movement and direction. > > The direction your ship faces is purely cosmetic and is not relevant for gameplay. > > If your ship is stopped it is not aligned. From what I can see. Once aligned. I warp out faster. Shrugs Either way I have avoided being ganked more than once. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/65 "2025-09-05T04:42:46Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > A retriever does not stop on a dime.. After you hit stop it slowly comes to a stop. As i align I hit stop. Which allows the retriever to come to a slow stop as it aligns. Again a retriever does not just stop. Come to that nor does a venture come to a quick stop. You are only aligned when at 75% of your max speed. It does not make _any_ difference what direction you are pointed in…even in the exact ‘correct’ direction. If you stop, facing in the right direction, it will take exactly the same length of time to align as it would take if you are facing 180 degrees the wrong way. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/66 "2025-09-05T06:07:33Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Yeah, I wish I had better control over my low speed. Can’t seem to get very low speeds with the current sys? Low speed also is not aligned by the way. It has to be going over 75% of it’s maximum velocity to be aligned. Being aligned means you can warp within the tick you give the warp command. > [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > From what I can see. Once aligned. I warp out faster. > > Shrugs > > Either way I have avoided being ganked more than once. That’s imaginary. From a standstill it doesn’t matter which way your ship is facing, it takes your full align time as shown in the fitting window to get into warp. I’m happy for you you managed to avoid being ganked more than once after aligning your full align time. Now, if you were aligned you could instantly warp. Give it a try! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/67 "2025-09-05T08:48:17Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It has to be going over 75% of it’s maximum velocity to be aligned. > > Being aligned means you can warp within the tick you give the warp command. Exactly. Not sure how so many people, old and new don’t know these things. 🤔 The related info for those who care to learn. Not going to type them all again so I link the posts instead. 😊 > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/2895): > > First of all it is not explained in-game but your ship facing is irrelevant when your ship doesn’t move, though for the subject that is not important just something of note you might check out. Even if it meant anything the fact you have to accelerate to 75% speed means it takes time to reach the required speed to warp which means you can be caught, while if you fly 75% speed towards the point you will warp to to escape (pre-aligned) then you hit warp and enter warp immediately. The higgs rig … > [@Can we get "alignment" without forward thrust?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/can-we-get-alignment-without-forward-thrust/435611/4): > > Pre-align means you also move towards your intended warp direction at at least 75% of your maximum speed so once you hit the warp button you enter warp instantly. Edit: Related support article below. > [@Security Space](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/security-space/466504/149): > > Yes if you refer to aligning from a total halt. That is your align time in the ship info window AFAIK. Meaning if your ship is not moving, the time it takes to warp to any direction is your displayed align time. If you fly towards your target (with a 5 degree precision) and move at least 75% speed then your align time is zero and warp instantly the moment you hit warp. If you face a different direction then your ship have to turn and/or if move at less speed then have to accelerate to 75%+. N… > [@Security Space](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/security-space/466504/151): > > Just to note to avoid confusion: your ship’s displayed direction and it starting to change the moment you hit warp is not attached to your ship’s movement vector. So the displayed direction is independent of the game mechanic regarding the vector. This is why it sometimes happens that ships, usually slow to turn ones like freighters warp sideways or partially sideways as their ship’s displayed direction did not reach the warp direction yet, but their actual velocity vector did thus they enter w… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/68 "2025-09-05T11:43:48Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > [Medium Higgs Anchor I | EVE Ref](https://everef.net/types/34268) Now imagine you have 2+ Miners and they all fit Double Webs instead of tank and web each other (Duel or have Legal Combat activated for your corp). They will make like 10m/s when speed is set to 80%… So you can basically mine until the Roid is empty before you get out of Laser Range… While being 100% aligned all the time to a safespot. Oh wait, we do Gas Huffing or Gneiss Mining in WHs that way all the time. Imagine the face of the Sabre pilot who warps on grid and seeing the whole mining fleet instawarping before he can even throw a bubble. -\_- ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/69 "2025-09-05T11:53:35Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You do not have to align _all the time_ while mining, just when you spot danger. It takes about 100 seconds before you drift out of 20km mining laser range at 200m/s, which is plenty to stay aligned after potential hostiles enter your system until they’re gone again. But you are missing the main point I mentioned earlier. In my experience of actually doing ganking, the gankers already have the target marked out ( via a scout ) and head for him immediately on entering the system. The whole idea is to show up like the Spanish Inquisition. Thus the miner is still aligning for a large part of this occurring, even if he responds quickly to the arrival of the gankers in the system. And few miners are actually that alert. I’ve done ganks where we enter the system and _immediately_ fleet warp to the target. There’s no searching for a target…we already have one. The real person to watch out for is not the gankers….its the scout, who is the FC on the watchlist. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/70 "2025-09-05T12:13:47Z")
Now I don’t mine in HS, but when I do in NS and align the moment a potentially hostile player enters my system I’ll be fully aligned and ready to warp by the time they could have arrived at my spot had they warped directly to it. It takes a fair bit of time to accelerate and decelerate in warp, more than you seem to account for and enough to get a barge aligned. Will there be inattentive miners who get caught? Sure! But if you pay attention, fly in a quiet part of space where new names in local are rare and align the moment you see such a new name you should be able to warp before someone tackles you. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/71 "2025-09-05T12:14:11Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > And few miners are actually that alert. Yeah, thats their problem and thats why they deserve to be ganked. If you cannot leave your spot within 20 seconds once you see the local spike of 5+ unknown chars, you should not expect any other outcome. And you need _at least_ 20 seconds to warp from whatever gate to whatever mining site, even in Catalysts. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/72 "2025-09-06T00:36:24Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Low speed also is not aligned by the way. > > It has to be going over 75% of it’s maximum velocity to be aligned. > > Being aligned means you can warp within the tick you give the warp command. I must have been more aware of what was coming than I thought as I was always happy to warp out as others were just landing on grid. A touch to close for me but still happy to get away! 😃 Frankly for me, warping out while they land on grid was somehow satisfying. 🤔 Thanks for the heads up though! ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Kerns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jordan_kerns/32/465999_2.png) [@Jordan\_Kerns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jordan_Kerns)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/74 "2025-10-05T17:40:32Z")
I will 34 with you whenever… do you have a collar for me? 42 without question! ---
**Author:** ![Lissa\_Kalissa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lissa_kalissa/32/479052_2.png) [@Lissa\_Kalissa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lissa_Kalissa)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/75 "2025-10-06T09:19:21Z")
Fly small unblinged inexpensive ships with fast-align and fast warp Corvettes annd Frigates make it so cheap that gankers don’t want to waste their time keep it small and cheap don’t carry much in cargo ad don’t be greedy like new players don’t have luxury to fly big slow ships like Cruiser cause skills do not suport all modules needed to to escape or fight gankers so why buy expensive anyting when it only blows up? If you have 99.99% chance to wreck your car everytime you drive I don’t think you will take it out of garage for a spin. Don’t be greedy. Fly cheap o7 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/76 "2025-10-07T01:17:17Z")
But, but, but you miss the fun of running a maxed out dst through the new pipe! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Lissa\_Kalissa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lissa_kalissa/32/479052_2.png) [@Lissa\_Kalissa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lissa_Kalissa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/77 "2025-10-07T01:38:59Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > but you miss the fun of running a maxed out dst through the new pipe! 🤣 Sorry, “dst” is destroyer? And “the new pipe” is route to Jita via ganker ville? Anyway that doesn’t seem like fun when I spent time or money on big ship to see it explode without chance to fight or flee. Most important for me presently is inertial modifyers and hyperspatial rig. I will be the gazelle until I find a way to be the lion and if I stay a gazelle I will be uncatchable one. Fight of flight I have choose flight. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/78 "2025-10-07T02:01:44Z")
> [@Lissa\_Kalissa](#): > > “dst” Deep space transport > [@Lissa\_Kalissa](#): > > And “the new pipe” is route to Jita via ganker ville? Yes! 🤣 > [@Lissa\_Kalissa](#): > > Anyway that doesn’t seem like fun when I spent time or money on big ship to see it explode without chance to fight or flee. Most important for me presently is inertial modifiers and hyperspatial rig. You will learn and change you ships and tactics just like I did. (I hope anyway 😉) > [@Lissa\_Kalissa](#): > > will be the gazelle until I find a way to be the lion **Now** with just that thought, you are a lion cub. CCP sends new players in the wrong direction from the start. Thay want you to spend $$$ on skills/ships you have no idea how to use effectively, and they leave while CCP rakes it in. No wonder the numbers never recovered from the 50k and growing we had. The worst part is I can’t even recommend a good corp for an independent and intelligent player to help. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa\_Kalissa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lissa_kalissa/32/479052_2.png) [@Lissa\_Kalissa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lissa_Kalissa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/79 "2025-10-07T02:20:02Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You will learn and change you ships and tactics just like I did I will learn or uninstall but I like the game so I will learn. There enough info online for deep targeted learning new things. I am interested in Low-sec so will concentrate efforts in surviving it and thrive. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > CCP sends new players in the wrong direction from the start. Thay want you to spend $$$ on skills/ships you have no idea how to use effectively, and they leave while CCP rakes it in I did not give attention to what CCP wants me to do. I think is more important to look for info and learn what I want in stead of let myself lead by the nose. I did not even finish the career agents yet as I think it more important to learn the use of scanner with probes and d-scan try to see what/who is undocked and in system. I can learn mining later. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > The worst part is I can’t even recommend a good corp for an independent and intelligent player to help I think many players can lead me to good corporation. Maybe I try EVE University first if they have Low-sec operations or if not it will be an other one. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/80 "2025-10-07T21:41:21Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > You mean like don’t argue with the bit where you left out that your miner/hauler also needs time to align and you can’t just _instantly_ warp off the minute you detect an incoming gank fleet on dscan. I also tested in various scenarios. Yes, I got my hands on a retriever. Top secret stuff, don’t tell anyone. Dscan, even when you only get it at the last second before a beautiful catalyst shows up on grid, is enough to get a retriever (in my case: brick tanked and no pilot skills, 14.25 seconds align, standing perfectly still) into warp before you can get a lock on. In most cases I was not even able to target the retriever. This seems to be due to a massive slowdown on the last AU before you enter your target destination. It really takes a while until you land on grid and are able to move. So naturally the question is, what if I don’t use dscan at all? Can I still get away when I start running only when the hostiles are visible on grid? So, the short answer is: NOPE. Even when I started fitting the retriever with inertial stabilizers and cut the align time down to 9,65 seconds, I was now able to get a lock on every single time. You could cut down the align time a bit more… but look, this just sucks period, it’s way too little time. Even when perfectly anticipating the ship and hovering my mouse over the warp command, it was never enough to escape the catalyst. In contrast, even when poorly timed, dscan gives you enough time, even in an unoptimized fit, to warp out from stand-still. So, if you don’t want to align your ship / fleet every 20 seconds, then keeping an eye on local and d-scanning as soon as something fishy is afoot, works well enough. Of course the illegal use of dscan is 100% **NOT** CODE compliant and will get you into a lot of trouble. So don’t do it!! With warning regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821/81 "2025-10-07T22:21:07Z")
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