# Create an \*ACTUAL\* Downside to Player Piracy **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [January 24, 2023, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990 "2023-01-24T08:15:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/224 "2023-03-27T02:04:37Z")
you look it up, I have stuff to do ---
**Author:** ![Shilliam\_Watner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shilliam_watner/32/358077_2.png) [@Shilliam\_Watner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shilliam_Watner)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/225 "2023-03-29T10:55:10Z")
> [@Arivexel](#): > > I was going for one of [Skittle Kittens | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/2118149404/) 's 8x KeyCloned (I’m guessing) characters, all of which (I thought) showed up as -5 in my HUD when they simultaneously exited station. Why do you people keep throwing around false accusations of input broadcasting, when quite clearly the damage spread on zkill for multi-box ganks shows a wide spread of damage that proves sequential, manual input? So you’re going to “guess” they’re cheating because you don’t like their playstyle. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/226 "2023-03-29T16:44:08Z")
I think looking at zkillboard comes from the same mindset and level of maturity as “1v1 me bro” at the end of a CoD match. ---
**Author:** ![Phat\_Phil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phat_phil/32/452625_2.png) [@Phat\_Phil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phat_Phil)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/227 "2023-03-31T20:29:12Z")
It’s been a month and you are still complaining about how PVP is too difficult for you. Move on, don’t feed the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Phat\_Phil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phat_phil/32/452625_2.png) [@Phat\_Phil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phat_Phil)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/229 "2023-04-02T22:46:53Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/5/5a1ac1793970e7d7e92173557abe3c92056c49d8.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/230 "2023-04-29T17:43:19Z")
There really isn’t any penalty, that is lasting, for piracy. Continued piracy should see a pirate account locked into a station, when in High Sec, for three, five or 14 days. During the jail sentence the pirate’s security status would slowly increase to being able to leave the station. There should also be a mechanic that allows non-pirates to capture the pod of a pirate and then turn the pirates pod into a CONCORD paddy wagon where a reward is then handed given to the non-pirate. The CONCORD paddy wagon then carts the pirate off to the station to serve her or his sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Seffen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seffen/32/404701_2.png) [@Seffen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seffen)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/231 "2023-05-13T12:18:18Z")
> “CON” in the “CONsequences” Point of interest: The “con” in “consequence” means “with”. The “con” in “con” does not. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/232 "2023-05-15T07:58:13Z")
> [@Proposal - Crime is not realistically punished](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-crime-is-not-realistically-punished/405782/66): > > Uninstall ---
**Author:** ![Debrina\_Icesteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/debrina_icesteel/32/375310_2.png) [@Debrina\_Icesteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Debrina_Icesteel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/233 "2023-05-20T14:41:18Z")
As someone who just lost a freighter to a gank squad, to the tune of 4.129 billion isk I agree that the playing field needs to be leveled a little. My idea is first give freighters some mid slots and more low slots to at leas let us buff some. Secondly I would like to/ see cargo containers that self distruct if the ship is lost, thus lowering the reward. I can hear the gankers crying already “Thats not fair…” ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/234 "2023-05-20T15:02:17Z")
> [@Debrina\_Icesteel](#): > > Secondly I would like to/ see cargo containers that self distruct if the ship is lost, thus lowering the reward. I agree, and for balance considerations: when you dock in any station the non-jettisonable cargo containers also have a 100% chance to self-destruct if you carry more than 1 bil, thus lowering the reward for hauling successfully. I can hear the freighters crying already “That’s not fair…” ---
**Author:** ![Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yahamssi_judihuijj/32/392777_2.png) [@Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yahamssi_Judihuijj)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/235 "2023-05-20T15:06:01Z")
> [@Debrina\_Icesteel](#): > > My idea is first give freighters some mid slots and more low slots to at leas let us buff some. Why ? You didn’t even fit the slots given to you : > **[Charon | Debrina Icesteel | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/108960365/)** > > Debrina Icesteel (Advanced ORE) lost their Charon in Gheth (Devoid). Final Blow by 9 Of Several (Several Bodies One Master) flying in a Talos. Total Value: 7,185,042,852.91 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Debrina\_Icesteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/debrina_icesteel/32/375310_2.png) [@Debrina\_Icesteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Debrina_Icesteel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/236 "2023-05-20T15:44:10Z")
Haha, I knew that would get a reply. All I am saying is that it should be less profitabe for gankers. I am not putting any restrictions on you, but I would like to take steps to prevent you from profiting off of my destruction. As far as the exploding can goes, that is a loss of your profit so I expected gankers to not like it ---
**Author:** ![Debrina\_Icesteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/debrina_icesteel/32/375310_2.png) [@Debrina\_Icesteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Debrina_Icesteel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/237 "2023-05-20T15:46:15Z")
The 3 low power slots are basically useless, especilly against a 10 person gate camp team. It is also funny that my killmail says I lost 4 bil’ I guess that was just the destroyed stuff not the 2.5 bil they were able to steal. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/238 "2023-05-20T15:47:40Z")
> [@Debrina\_Icesteel](#): > > The 3 low power slots are basically useless You do know of the powerful EHP module [Reinforced Bulkheads II](https://everef.net/type/1335) right? ---
**Author:** ![Debrina\_Icesteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/debrina_icesteel/32/375310_2.png) [@Debrina\_Icesteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Debrina_Icesteel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/239 "2023-05-20T15:50:05Z")
The ship was dead in less than 5 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/240 "2023-05-20T15:52:32Z")
With that attitude, in the future can you please contract me everything you wish to haul for 0 ISK? I can guarantee you won’t lose a freighter in 5 seconds, or 10, or ever again. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/241 "2023-05-20T15:54:33Z")
For posterity on EHP numbers using 3 very cheap modules: 310k ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/4/a/c4ab77ef0ddf7dad80d20a5ef7ff1a0adf31ee6a.jpeg) versus 475k (+53% bonus) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/2/a/d2aafafff10b7e15b6e70713194c6f1e36243d8e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Debrina\_Icesteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/debrina_icesteel/32/375310_2.png) [@Debrina\_Icesteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Debrina_Icesteel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/242 "2023-05-20T15:59:14Z")
So now I have a bad attitude? Funny how things changed when I called you on your BS. We were not talking about my attitude, we were discussing gate camping gankers in high sec space making an incredible profit off someone else’s hard work. ---
**Author:** ![Debrina\_Icesteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/debrina_icesteel/32/375310_2.png) [@Debrina\_Icesteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Debrina_Icesteel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/243 "2023-05-20T16:02:14Z")
It wouldn’t have mattered, and I suspect you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/create-an-actual-downside-to-player-piracy/392990/244 "2023-05-20T17:01:23Z")
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