# Criminal vs law enforcement? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 21, 2021, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606 "2021-08-21T03:54:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/105 "2021-09-07T09:42:05Z")
You can’t take away one person’s play style for another. Need away to make both entertaining, I had fun yesterday trying to stop them , maybe we should be able to join a faction police and get LP for every criminal we fire on. Gankers game play the same and we get stuff for shooting them ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/106 "2021-09-07T09:43:08Z")
So in what way does that incentivise haulers and miners like me? ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/107 "2021-09-07T09:43:17Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > You can’t take away one person’s play style for another. Need away to make both entertaining, I had fun yesterday trying to stop them , maybe we should be able to join a faction police and get LP for every criminal we fire on. Gankers game play the same and we get stuff for shooting them Agreed ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/108 "2021-09-07T09:43:29Z")
Not talking about them ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/109 "2021-09-07T09:43:58Z")
Well you kind of need to because without us, theres no gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/110 "2021-09-07T09:47:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So in what way does that incentivise haulers and miners like me? In that case it dosn’t. That is like telling a semi truck driver to start doing traffic stops. you either you do combat or you avoid combat. (pvp setting) (edit) I think the incentive is a reliable form of isk making. its not going anywhere ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/111 "2021-09-07T09:50:39Z")
> [@Madlightning](#): > > either you do combat or you avoid combat. (pvp setting) Ok, so explain why you are so offended about the idea of removing CONCORD again if its “Either do combat or avoid combat” (PvP Setting)? And what do Haulers and miners do if its not avoid combat? > [@Madlightning](#): > > a reliable form of isk making. its not going anywhere What is? Do you actually do anything or do you read about others and pretend? ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/112 "2021-09-07T09:57:31Z")
From what i am gathering for the good discussion is ``` they few people who are pro ganking are like ``` “Remove concord” so ganking disappears and becomes just Piracy Another group of people are like Ganking /Anti-ganking should be balanced out some perks to anti ganking. Carebare argument ganking removed ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/113 "2021-09-07T09:59:56Z")
> [@Madlightning](#): > > some perks to anti ganking. How is that balanced? Yeah Im pretty sure you dont actually play. If you did I think youd see why piracy is a better option than ganking. You can fight back against pirates any time you want, but you seem to think its a good idea to be destroyed by CONCORD for trying. You seriously havent much of an idea what it is you are arguing for or against, have you? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/114 "2021-09-07T10:03:53Z")
but when you see places like uedama its endless ship , some even slow boat , we have tried to tell people but many don’t look in local or take any notice. I’m ok with that as i am with gankers but I like to kill people who take part in crime. Someone ask for help only the other day we helped someone do the Uedama run , with 4 ew burst ships with reps and scouts ready , the guys was pleased . maybe not going to stop a large gank but it would have been fun ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/115 "2021-09-07T10:06:08Z")
Ok, thats why I dont get why there should be an incentive, if you are going to do it anyway. The best incentive there could be is the circumvention or removal of CONCORD so you could engage them on your terms. The only reason more people dont Antigank is that they are garunteed to lose their ship if they do a pre-emptive strike (gank) on their target and they dont want that. ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/116 "2021-09-07T10:09:46Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > explain why you are so offended about the idea of removing CONCORD It would require nearly a entire overhaul of the entire game. Highsec is all about the appearance of safety its so far out of the realm of reasonable discussion > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > What is? Mining and hualing > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Do you actually do anything or do you read about others and pretend? I haul, run missions, roam null, pvp gang, Gank reds if I see them slipping in ice belts, and one point sit and mine ore and ice. before i ripped all of those skills out. More recently help new players who like to mine how to mitigate risk while hauling and Mining if you going to get ganked. its going to happen its important to make it less impactful all together. and the only thing I pretend to do is be a caldari POLICEMAN WEEWOO WEEWOO😜 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/117 "2021-09-07T10:13:51Z")
> [@Madlightning](#): > > It would require nearly a entire overhaul of the entire game. No it wouldnt. Can you provide any reason why it would when Sec has been changed in numerous systems over the years with no entire overhaul? > [@Madlightning](#): > > Highsec is all about the appearance of safety And this is where you explain why thats important or matters in a game where you can be PvP’d at any time? > [@Madlightning](#): > > Mining and hualing Mining and Hauling are not > [@Madlightning](#): > > a reliable form of isk making Neither actually generates Isk. Come back to that when you want to talk about Ratting. > [@Madlightning](#): > > More recently help new players who like to mine how to mitigate risk while hauling and Mining if you going to get ganked. Then I expect to see the numbers of ganked new players climb if they are listening to your advice. Not that I believe you, ofc. At the end of the day, you dont want CONCORD removed because you are scared of losing your stuff because you cant protect it. If youd admit that then youd be well on your way to making an honest point. ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/118 "2021-09-07T10:17:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Ok, thats why I dont get why there should be an incentive, if you are going to do it anyway. that is the disconnect we are having maybe incentive is the wrong term we are using. hell getting Ranks form the local police would be a Great reward. Does it impact gameplay nope. It is another achievement for people who care enough to go after it. CCP killed bounty hunting (was never really a thing) people did it though ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/119 "2021-09-07T10:17:03Z")
We are in fact police , from new edem, no one asked us to do this and we don’t pay for any kill rights. That’s a bit for our friend @MacGybo just watched his ganking video well done ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/120 "2021-09-07T10:18:55Z")
Yeah but you say incentive, reward, basically “Bribe me to do the thing I want to do” and not “Let me do the thing I want to do without hinderance” Do you see the difference there? ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/121 "2021-09-07T10:38:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No it wouldnt. Can you provide any reason why it would when Sec has been changed in numerous systems over the years with no entire overhaul? Concord is built in to every system in eve more importantly high/low. The economy for Eve changes Extremely any time CCP messes with space look at when the trigs stole a bunch of systems Markets went wild for a bit. as someone else said concord being removed effectively changes high sec. something between high and low. That is major in itself > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And this is where you explain why thats important or matters in a game where you can be PvP’d at any time? go talk to someone from CCP thats how they market it now > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Neither actually generates Isk. Come back to that when you want to talk about Ratting. Didn’t say generate but ok, “wealth redistribution” by the activity of harvesting. Making Billions in high is not hard and it never going anywhere it might change a bit but Rock solid 😉 > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Then I expect to see the numbers of ganked new players climb if they are listening to your advice. thats strange people that I have had contact with who Mine have kill marks on their Mining barges. (hey if they bring 10+ catas I mean if they want to kill you, you gunna die) so STRANGE and you don’t have to believe me. I take it Mining in a procurer you are more likely to get ganked? I guess you link thats a lie too, fair enough do as you Iike I won’t stop you > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yeah but you say incentive, reward, basically “Bribe me to do the thing I want to do” > > and not “Let me do the thing I want to do without hinderance” > > Do you see the difference there? Faction warfare give out ranks its basically the same thing except difference gameplay system ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/122 "2021-09-07T10:41:06Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > We are in fact police , from new edem, no one asked us to do this and we don’t pay for any kill rights That sounds badass 🤔 why pretend when you can just become…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/123 "2021-09-07T10:46:30Z")
> [@Madlightning](#): > > The economy for Eve changes Extremely any time CCP messes with space Why is that bad and why would that require some sort of non-specific overhaul of the game? > [@Madlightning](#): > > go talk to someone from CCP thats how they market it now So you dont have an answer yourself? You dont actualyl know what you are basing your supposition on? This is how they market EvE: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/e/2/0e2a91ac4639e0caac23fa22303d373f65c096a7.png) None of those things would vanish from the game if CONCORD were removed. > [@Madlightning](#): > > thats strange people that I have had contact with who Mine have kill marks on their Mining barges. Dude you could literally say anything, that doesnt make it true. This isnt evidence of anything, this is just you saying stuff without evidence. > [@Madlightning](#): > > I take it Mining in a procurer you are more likely to get ganked? What has this supposition got to do with anything? I dont know why anyone would choose to gank a Proc over a Retriever but Im sure somebody would. Is that relevent in some way? > [@Madlightning](#): > > Faction warfare give out ranks its basically the same thing except difference gameplay system You have chosen to completely ignore the point. I guess you dont have an answer for that either. ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/124 "2021-09-07T10:57:48Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Dude you could literally say anything, that doesnt make it true. This isnt evidence of anything, this is just you saying stuff without evidence. that’s what i said not going to name drop anyone not here it will have to stay hear-say [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606.md?page=7)