# Criminal vs law enforcement? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 21, 2021, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606 "2021-08-21T03:54:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/125 "2021-09-07T10:59:49Z")
Er ok. Dunno why you brought it up then. You dont want them getting more KM on their mining barges I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Senyu\_Takashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/senyu_takashi/32/213351_2.png) [@Senyu\_Takashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Senyu_Takashi)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/126 "2021-09-07T10:59:57Z")
> [@Khan\_Auduin](#): > > If concord is removed. > > - All high sec players would quit. > - Only fraction of player pvp base would be left and eve would shut down. > > So i guess you want that ? > > Ganking has become burden of eve and needs to toned down by at least 200%. > > 1st. starting by removing empty ship exploit at gate, so concord would concrete on gankers. Agree on the first part (people quitting), disagree on the “need to be toned down” part. If anything players should be provided more tools on how to defend against possible ganks, because right now they are laughably insufficient. Also, you all seem to forget, that CCP is owned by PA now and has to constantly reach a revenue target (which is why CCP has tried to monetize the crap out of EVE in recent months). If playerbase significantly drops and CCP misses another one (afaik they already missed it twice), then it’s very likely that PA would either: 1. Either shut down EVE completely or put it in maintenance mode with no new content and majority of devs relegated to different projects 2. Force CCP to deply a second server with a Trammel-like ruleset (UO fans know what I am talking about) None of which I think you want to happen ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/127 "2021-09-07T11:04:51Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > What has this supposition got to do with anything? I dont know why anyone would choose to gank a Proc over a Retriever but Im sure somebody would. Is that relevent in some way? i really appears you are not even paying attention it was a SIMPLE example of providing usfull infromation to someone is new Telling someone to Mining in a proc is alot more safe. what you said it literally the point. I was trying to make. something new player would not know i’m done talking to you for today ill reply to you tomarrow hard having faith that we could have a simple coversation I was hopfull I like what, Githany red said say more words plz ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/128 "2021-09-07T11:09:21Z")
You literally said a word salad that sounded like you were saying Procs get ganked more. > [@Madlightning](#): > > what you said it literally the point. I was trying to make. something new player would not know A new player cant look at the stats and go “the smaller cheaper ship is more manueverable and has more tank”? You are saying thats the valuable service you are providing to new players? Er ok, well done. Still doesnt invalidate that you are against CONCORD because you dont feel confident in defending your stuff vOv ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/129 "2021-09-07T11:09:42Z")
🤨 you have a point ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/130 "2021-09-07T11:32:42Z")
> [@Khan\_Auduin](#): > > 1st. starting by removing empty ship exploit at gate, so concord would concrete on gankers. ? whats the empty ship exploit ?, if its an exploit then ccp will ban the players using it. and having concord turn us into concrete is a bit harsh dont you think, ship loss is enough. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/131 "2021-09-07T11:52:50Z")
> [@Khan\_Auduin](#): > > 1st. starting by removing empty ship exploit at gate How about removing the “Mobile Depots block filaments” exploit first, its a little more important. Anyway, back to the OP. Apparently its more balanced in High Sec if: CONCORD still kill Ganker’s ships. Antigankers can get to be Special Space Police who can attack certain players without CONCORD repercussion. Antigankers should get an incentive in the form of rewards and/or titles. It should be legal to kill people who are only -1.0 security status on sight. Have I missed anything? Oh yeah gank targets are irrelevent vOv ---
**Author:** ![Khan\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khan_auduin/32/284841_2.png) [@Khan\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khan_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/132 "2021-09-07T16:18:39Z")
I agree with providing more tools to counter blatant ganking. The consequences which you wrote are already showing it self (more and more): - Patches for the game are none existent. Or they are a joke. - When was last time, some mayor dlc came out ? - Horrendous, insane and blatant plex showing in your face on every corner. - Last years by ccp: nerf, nerf, nerf, nerf. - Lately Null sec. mega alliances stopped fighting and everything is stagnation, because they cannot build ships as they used to. Mega crisis to happen ? ---
**Author:** ![Khan\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khan_auduin/32/284841_2.png) [@Khan\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khan_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/133 "2021-09-07T16:21:01Z")
Me and you could fix eve in a day. We would see back 65k / day. That would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/134 "2021-09-07T21:31:26Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > We are in fact police Kudos for saying that with a straight face. ---
**Author:** ![Tarsas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarsas/32/289693_2.png) [@Tarsas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarsas)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/135 "2021-09-10T16:05:29Z")
Don’t forget the mission runners, they get harassed as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/136 "2021-09-10T16:42:46Z")
Its not like they dont deserve it ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/137 "2021-09-10T16:48:56Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Why shouldn’t they? Gankers kill carebears which are famous for slaughtering NPC’s by the billions. > > They should lock the cearbears out instead Flawed argument. NPC killed are pirates with bounty on them. Killing pirates is doing good to the galaxy. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/138 "2021-09-10T17:01:33Z")
One person’s pirate is another person’s freedom fighter. 🗽 ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/139 "2021-09-10T17:09:25Z")
Empire own space = Empires enforce the law, with help from capsuleer Pirate own space = Pirates enforce their lawlessness, with help from capsuleer Reverse mechanics, depending on space. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/140 "2021-09-10T17:18:56Z")
Every single dictator have the law in his favor. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/141 "2021-09-10T21:10:08Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > NPC killed are pirates with bounty on them Flawed argument. Those Navy Tags say they werent pirates. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/142 "2021-09-11T02:03:29Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Flawed argument. Those Navy Tags say they werent pirates. Dumb reply. If you want to make a point, quote whatever I said about the navy, not about the pirates. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/143 "2021-09-11T09:19:43Z")
Silly response. You weren’t specific about Pirates; > [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > NPC killed Own your mistake, you know very well mission runners equally kill opposing navy as much as they do pirates. (Editted for someboobies hurt feelies) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606/144 "2021-09-11T18:34:42Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > One person’s pirate is another person’s freedom fighter. 🗽 I can’t see any body thinking that some pirates are anyone’s freedom fighter , terrorist then maybe [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminal-vs-law-enforcement/324606.md?page=8)