# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/425 "2021-12-06T13:41:55Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No one ever said eliminate it completely? But you have already admitted that if you follow the ways and means, ganking isn’t an issue. Well, no…one has only to be distracted momentarily, like yesterday when I hadn’t noticed an Atron had showed up. This is where having the mining ship 30km from the landing point comes in handy…especially as I was in a Venture rather than my high EHP Proc. But it’s simply not possible to maintain high alertness for 2 or 3 hours. _Nobody_ is sitting there hitting d-scan every 3 seconds for 3 hours. The ganker _doesn’t_ have to have that ultra high level of alertness. He can always find another target…there’s no shortage of them. This is why it is such nonsense when people portray ganking as if it required skill and mining as if it required none. It is quite the reverse. The ganker only has to succeed once…the miner has to all the time. Heck…if I was into ganking Ventures I could _easily_ kill 10 a day…even those that are paying attention. You don’t even need to ‘creep up’ on them…just warp there in a harmless shuttle, do ‘save location’ on the asteroid they are on, warp back to station to get Catalyst, and warp right in on the Venture. What could be easier ? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/426 "2021-12-06T14:37:53Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I was in a Venture rather than my high EHP Proc Hi Cilla, genuine question; why were you in a squishy Venture rather than your Procurer? It is something I’ve come across before, but never understood. Obviously, if you were trying something out that you’d rather keep to yourself, that’s fine! ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/427 "2021-12-06T14:58:21Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Hi Cilla, genuine question; why were you in a squishy Venture rather than your Procurer? A group of gankers were specifically after Cilla…they even chased me through several systems last week. So I’ve been using ‘character 2’ to mine…and that character doesn’t have Procurer skills as I have all my skills updating character 3 for combat as that one wont be mining at all. I’m not getting zonked in a flimsy Condor again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/428 "2021-12-06T20:43:51Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Well, no…one has only to be distracted momentarily, like yesterday when I hadn’t noticed an Atron had showed up. This is where having the mining ship 30km from the landing point comes in handy…especially as I was in a Venture rather than my high EHP Proc. But it’s simply not possible to maintain high alertness for 2 or 3 hours. _Nobody_ is sitting there hitting d-scan every 3 seconds for 3 hours. > > The ganker _doesn’t_ have to have that ultra high level of alertness. He can always find another target…there’s no shortage of them. This is why it is such nonsense when people portray ganking as if it required skill and mining as if it required none. It is quite the reverse. The ganker only has to succeed once…the miner has to all the time. > > Heck…if I was into ganking Ventures I could _easily_ kill 10 a day…even those that are paying attention. You don’t even need to ‘creep up’ on them…just warp there in a harmless shuttle, do ‘save location’ on the asteroid they are on, warp back to station to get Catalyst, and warp right in on the Venture. What could be easier ? Again, the venture is at fault. Why would you think a shuttle would be harmless? You’d only bring a shuttle to a belt to make a BM. I’d have to assume you were trying to kill me 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/429 "2021-12-06T20:59:28Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > …just warp there in a harmless shuttle, do ‘save location’ on the asteroid they are on, warp back to station to get Catalyst, and warp right in on the Venture. What could be easier ? Save location on the asteroid isn’t a great idea. Warping into an asteroid is a good way to be rapidly shot back out away from your warp in point. Using an alt to scout and setup the warp in is a much better approach. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/430 "2021-12-07T00:05:16Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > None of your lot are doing scans though, right? No we don’t but I do carry a ship scanner ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/431 "2021-12-07T14:36:56Z")
Your use of ROFL & Wtfpwning really gives me a laugh. Some nostalgic trash talk right there XD ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/432 "2021-12-07T18:20:29Z")
I am bringing it all back 😃 The internet smack talk of today leaves much to be desired. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/433 "2021-12-07T21:05:28Z")
Each ROFL is a new burn hahaha ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/434 "2021-12-07T21:19:00Z")
Just last night I got accused of being a zoomer. Then I started talking about MUDs and they had no idea what I was talking about 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/435 "2021-12-07T21:43:45Z")
I used to play zork and a few others hahaha. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/436 "2021-12-07T22:47:07Z")
A MUD I used to play is still sort of going. I log in every now and then for nostalgia. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/437 "2021-12-08T21:53:51Z")
Yeah just asked because I get scanned all the time. Dont mind the yellow boxing, but scanning is just rude. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/438 "2022-01-18T22:27:56Z")
> **[Slasher | Phyve Solette | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/97407680/)** > > Phyve Solette (New Eden Police Force) lost their Slasher in Poinen (The Forge) Total Value: 1,971,928.48 ISK > **[Capsule | Phyve Solette | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/97407685/)** > > Phyve Solette (New Eden Police Force) lost their Capsule in Poinen (The Forge) Total Value: 653,428.57 ISK NEPF failing at PVPing gankers: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/7/e78b8f14f9d6b08e587b369a7c98194c7e11dcb0.jpeg "Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs) ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/440 "2022-01-19T01:19:26Z")
What would help you guys the most over at AG Headquarters? \*Besides more pilots… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/441 "2022-01-19T04:04:14Z")
Maybe some of that money you welched on 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/442 "2022-01-19T09:08:52Z")
Skill ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/443 "2022-01-19T22:35:34Z")
Really it is down to pilots but our log in numbers are low right now many people doing real things , once people come back we will have a big push again . Just need to find a sustainable thing to holds people interest, we have some interesting ideas ready to go ,when numbers come back. Thxs for the offer but I can’t think of a single eve item that would help other than a commitment by pilots to help us but for that we need to find consistent content ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/444 "2022-01-19T23:10:27Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > our log in numbers are low right now Aw the little antiganker community is evaporating. ☹ 🙁 ☹ It’s almost like antiganking is BORING. Gee, people don’t actually want to log into a game to defend people who are AFK - imagine that! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/445 "2022-01-19T23:12:47Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Really it is down to pilots but our log in numbers are low right now many people doing real things , once people come back we will have a big push again . Just need to find a sustainable thing to holds people interest, we have some interesting ideas ready to go ,when numbers come back. > > Thxs for the offer but I can’t think of a single eve item that would help other than a commitment by pilots to help us but for that we need to find consistent content I’ll post a guide for you later on how to effectively AG. You can thank me later. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=23)