# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/729 "2022-01-30T14:12:02Z")
Complicity is guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/730 "2022-01-30T14:13:17Z")
> [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](#): > > What was this thread about again? I think it got retitled ’ myths, legends, and witch hunts’ a few hundred posts back. ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/731 "2022-01-30T14:14:16Z")
I had a thought. If ganking/shooting in hisec is a criminal activity, and there are mechanics behind that to punish the criminals in game, doesn’t that mean doing so is not only allowed, but mediated and expected by the developers? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/732 "2022-01-30T14:15:30Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Grand Inquisitor of what anyone else _doesn’t_ say I have no idea what you are talking about, but in my experience you tend to make exaggerated claims, which are often disassociated from reality. If you are referring to Gix’s argument, that antigankers are hypocrites who fail to address their own toxicity… well, I tend to agree with him. I would go so far as to say that gankers are generally friendly people, who work out their real-life aggression by playing a video game, whereas antigankers are bitter little grumps who harbor intense and irrational resentments. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/733 "2022-01-30T14:18:21Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Oh gawd. Where do you get your mis-information from ? > > Did you know that immediately after the war the income tax rate in the UK was 45% ? It was still as high as 33% into the late 70s. > > All that ‘free’ education wasn’t ‘free’ at all. It was being paid for by horrendous tax rates. The ‘stable careers’ were mostly blue collar jobs. Things like cars, fridges, etc, were a much higher percent of people’s wages. My effective tax rate is over 43% right now (as in, how much of my salary I paid in taxes and associated fees), and my education wasn’t free, but cost 6 figures. Also, people don’t exactly need to buy a new car of fridge every year, and back in the good old days, a doctor visit didn’t put you into debt for 3 years. Also, nothing wrong with blue collar jobs, which people could get straight out of high school (and college got you onto the management track right away), instead of having to intern for free for 4 years before getting hired for minimum wage and no benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/734 "2022-01-30T14:19:10Z")
It must be Sunday… ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/735 "2022-01-30T14:19:37Z")
Sunday… Finally. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/736 "2022-01-30T14:20:50Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I have no idea what you are talking about Gix acting as though his Eve job was Grand Inquisitor with the right to demand ‘justify yourself !’ ( hmm…wasn’t that Red Dwarf ) of everyone else. For a topic that you yourself say is nobody else’s business…Gix spends more time here rattling on about it than anyone else ! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/737 "2022-01-30T14:23:21Z")
I’m sorry, I can’t help. I am not the Grand Inquisitor of Gix’s posting. However, if you would like me to be appointed to the ISD staff - please contact CCP and inform them that you have selected a leader to guide us into the next millennia. I will be honored to serve as ISD Aiko, but I will not apply, and CCP must come and petition me. I also expect to be paid and granted a höll in Iceland. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/738 "2022-01-30T14:24:15Z")
with great power, must also come, great responsibility ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/739 "2022-01-30T14:27:35Z")
> [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](#): > > I had a thought. Makes note in diary. ’ After 4 months in Eve…thought scarcity is finally coming to an end '. Can you tell me what system you found this thought in, so I can go mine some ? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/740 "2022-01-30T14:29:07Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I would go so far as to say that gankers are generally friendly people, who work out their real-life aggression by playing a video game, whereas antigankers are bitter little grumps who harbor intense and irrational resentments. I agree Aiko. In fact, this reminds me of what Gorila wrote back in 2014. It’s been nearly a decade, but some things just never change… > My biggest Issue has been the campaign of RL death threats and accusing people of being sociopaths and psychopaths because of how they play a GAME. It’s something I do NOT agree with and have actively campaigned against since day one. It’s a hate campaign… carried over to the AG channels and I’ve seen many embrace it. I’ve sat back and watched the hate and I do NOT approve. You should also have FUN and be laughing when you play a game. Not many laugh in AG from my experiences there are MANY in CODE who do laugh and have FUN. > **[Announcement From Gorila - Crime & Punishment - EVE Online Forums](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/394029)** > > EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/741 "2022-01-30T14:39:22Z")
To be honest, a good deal of what I see is deliberate deflection, straw man, and red herring. Like Gix using the whole RL issue to set up leading questions. Every single time the issue of ganking gets raised…the topic actually gets deflected _away_ from ganking and onto a bunch of red herrings and straw men. What starts out being a discussion of mechanics invariably gets turned into some absurd morality debacle Y’all could do with taking note of this… > **[List of fallacies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies)** > > A fallacy is reasoning that is logically incorrect, undermines the logical validity of an argument, or is recognized as unsound. All forms of human communication can contain fallacies. > Because of their variety, fallacies are challenging to classify. They can be classified by their structure (formal fallacies) or content (informal fallacies). Informal fallacies, the larger group, may then be subdivided into categories such as improper presumption, faulty generalization, error in assigning causati... ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/742 "2022-01-30T14:40:48Z")
Gorila! Thank you, Princess, for that reminder of him. What days they were, no?! I guess some folks haven’t yet played the Game for long enough to have encountered the full gamut of AG emotional scope, from A to B. (That last bit was said about an American actress, I think, but I don’t recall the details so cannot credit it - if anyone knows, please help) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/743 "2022-01-30T14:49:13Z")
It still fits in with gank fails , so I’m happy ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/744 "2022-01-30T14:52:52Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you are referring to Gix’s argument, that antigankers are hypocrites who fail to address their own toxicity… well, I tend to agree with him. I would go so far as to say that gankers are generally friendly people, who work out their real-life aggression by playing a video game, whereas antigankers are bitter little grumps who harbor intense and irrational resentments. Stepping into these forums is like that bit in Half Life where you come across the green sludge and the clicks on the Geiger counter rapidly increase. I don’t think I’ve ever in my life come across a place quite so full of all the most toxic members of a community all rattling on about how toxic everyone else is 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/745 "2022-01-30T16:08:25Z")
You’ve only been playing four months? Damn, I have been here almost 7 years and am still lost. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/746 "2022-01-30T16:17:10Z")
Yes, just 4 months. Many a time felt like leaving…but the patience is now finally coming to fruition as I rapidly gain the skills and know-how so almost every day I see the DPS on my ships go up. ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/747 "2022-01-30T16:47:33Z")
EVE rewards patience. That applies to more than SP. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/748 "2022-01-30T20:18:42Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > No…you _still_ don’t get it. A non answer isn’t an answer. A non answer is ’ who the hell are you to be asking me these stupid questions in the first place ?’ ROFL wut. Did you fail logic in school or You are refusing to answer. Given the nature of the question and generally how people would answer Yes, the fact that you don’t want to answer literally tells us what your answer really is 😃 Oof. Just when I thought you were turning a corner, you literally just trundle over into terrible human land LOL. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Couldn’t agree more. But then it is _equally_ nobody’s business to be setting themselves up as Grand Inquisitor of what anyone else _doesn’t_ say…by very definition of the fact that nobody should be having to say anything in the first place. I find it ironic that you talk to her, considering you condone the behavior leveled her way. > [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](#): > > I had a thought. If ganking/shooting in hisec is a criminal activity, and there are mechanics behind that to punish the criminals in game, doesn’t that mean doing so is not only allowed, but mediated and expected by the developers? You, my friend, win the grand prize. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gix acting as though his Eve job was Grand Inquisitor with the right to demand ‘justify yourself !’ ( hmm…wasn’t that Red Dwarf ) of everyone else. For a topic that you yourself say is nobody else’s business…Gix spends more time here rattling on about it than anyone else ! Oh. I’m sorry. I guess speaking out against sexual harrassment isn’t good right? So I shouldn’t call them out when I see them doing it? I should just comply huh? LOL. You’re embarrassing. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Makes note in diary. ’ After 4 months in Eve…thought scarcity is finally coming to an end '. Can you tell me what system you found this thought in, so I can go mine some ? Only poors got affected by scarcity 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > To be honest, a good deal of what I see is deliberate deflection, straw man, and red herring. Like Gix using the whole RL issue to set up leading questions. Every single time the issue of ganking gets raised…the topic actually gets deflected _away_ from ganking and onto a bunch of red herrings and straw men. What starts out being a discussion of mechanics invariably gets turned into some absurd morality debacle > > Y’all could do with taking note of this… Yay you googled some logic 😃 If you’ll notice, Drac/Razor always start the insulting and in fact, the derailment. In fact, they bring up the harrassment in hopes of getting the thread locked so they can cry foul more. Are you really this naïve? Or are you aiding them? What I always find funny is peeps love quoting fallacies but have never actually taken a logic course. You should start with truth tables and modus ponens first 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Stepping into these forums is like that bit in Half Life where you come across the green sludge and the clicks on the Geiger counter rapidly increase. I don’t think I’ve ever in my life come across a place quite so full of all the most toxic members of a community all rattling on about how toxic everyone else is Huh. So its toxic to find sexual harrassment ugly and to call it out when you see it? Interesting. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Yes, just 4 months. Many a time felt like leaving…but the patience is now finally coming to fruition as I rapidly gain the skills and know-how so almost every day I see the DPS on my ships go up. I highly doubt you’ll do more than kill whore on ganker’s KMs 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=38)