# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/769 "2022-01-31T17:13:28Z")
I’m not sure that he is falsely insinuating anything. When a group of people engages in toxic behaviour, and none of them will acknowledge it or criticize it, then it kind of makes you wonder about the group. Like, uh, the other day someone tried to join my alliance, and they were making a lot of anti-Semitic slurs. It was inappropriate. I told them this isn’t acceptable, and I don’t condone that kind of behaviour. I don’t have any problem stating that in public, but for some reason the antiganking community is unable to do this? Why is that? If somebody asks me whether I support anti-Semitic discrimination in EvE Online, my response is, “No, absolutely not.” I don’t see the need to write a lengthy essay explaining why I can’t or won’t denounce anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/770 "2022-01-31T17:14:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I’m not sure that he is falsely insinuating anything. When a group of people engages in toxic behaviour, and none of them will acknowledge it or criticize it, then it kind of makes you wonder about the group. So you agree that Gix is guilty of the fallacy of guilt by association. Thank you for agreeing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/771 "2022-01-31T17:19:45Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > So you agree that Gix is guilty of the fallacy of guilt by association. > > Thank you for agreeing. Whether someone is guilty or not of a logical fallacy in a forum argument still can’t come close to being compared to being a real-life discriminating bigot. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/772 "2022-01-31T17:19:56Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > the antiganking community What ‘community’ ? There’s your basic logical error. I mean…is there a ‘blonde community’ ? Clearly every blonde person must think the same as every other blonde person. And we all know blonde’s have more fun…or…oh hell, no…isn’t that stereotyping ? I mean, you are _using_ stereotyping in your efforts to supposedly condemn it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/773 "2022-01-31T17:21:35Z")
Are you a ganker now? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/774 "2022-01-31T17:27:00Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > When a group of people engages in toxic behaviour, and none of them will acknowledge it or criticize it, then it kind of makes you wonder about the group. You mean like people who engage in the utterly toxic behaviour of falsely insinuating and acting like they are witchfinder general at Salem…and _you_ refuse to condemn it ? Yes…it does make me wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/775 "2022-01-31T17:29:54Z")
Are you a witch or warlock? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/776 "2022-01-31T17:34:40Z")
Everyone keeps telling me it doesn’t matter. It’s just a game. But yes…there is a certain irony in these posts. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/777 "2022-01-31T18:46:16Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gix is using a combination of two fallacies…loaded question and guilt by association. > > A ‘loaded question’ doesn’t necessarily have to be of the ‘have you stopped stealing candy bars yet ?’ sort to which you incriminate yourself either way. It can be a situation where the mere _asking_ of a question implies guilt…a prime example being Senator McCarthy and his ’ are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist party ?’ Hence the link with guilt by association. > > It has a long history…McCarthy…Robespierre…Salem…The Inquisition…etc, etc. > > Asserting that the person could simply answer ‘no’ misses the point. The smear is already made, Yes…it **is** the level of the old witch trials. And it is absolutely disgusting that anyone using such tactics could seek to claim any sort of moral superiority when such usage makes them as bad as, if not worse than, those they seek to condemn. > > In the end, everyone saw McCarthy, Robespierre, etc, etc, for what they really were. Not glorified advocates of morality…but just over-inflated bullies. Not really. I am sincerely asking the question. As I really would like an answer, to know where you stand on the issue. The fact that you are absolutely _backflipping_ and doing everything you can to not answer, well. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I think its wrong to falsely insinuate. You gonna condemn Gix for that. Yes or no will do. Cept I’m not being false 😃 You know which fallacy you’re using now right? 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > So you agree that Gix is guilty of the fallacy of guilt by association. > > Thank you for agreeing. LOL. Man. Sad to see it. You were doing so well. Almost learning to EVE. Then just went full Drac. Its honestly sad. I feel for you. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > What ‘community’ ? There’s your basic logical error. I mean…is there a ‘blonde community’ ? Clearly every blonde person must think the same as every other blonde person. And we all know blonde’s have more fun…or…oh hell, no…isn’t that stereotyping ? I mean, you are _using_ stereotyping in your efforts to supposedly condemn it. You realize you already claimed to be part of the AG movement and are stacking ships for that effort right? > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You mean like people who engage in the utterly toxic behaviour of falsely insinuating and acting like they are witchfinder general at Salem…and _you_ refuse to condemn it ? > > Yes…it does make me wonder. Heh. I’m not even a ganker tho? > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Everyone keeps telling me it doesn’t matter. It’s just a game. But yes…there is a certain irony in these posts. Mm I think you’re confused. The issue is people are literally sexually harrassing another player due to the fact that she engages in TOS and EULA supported gameplay. You realize this behavior happens precisely because they can’t separate the game from reality right? My advice to you? Use those fancy ships and go out and gank/kill someone in low. Walk in those shoes and see how much stuff gets slinged your way 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/778 "2022-01-31T18:52:03Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Not really. I am sincerely asking the question. As I really would like an answer, to know where you stand on the issue. I have no desire to be part of your virtue signalling grandstanding toxicity. _Leave me alone_ or I will call in the moderators as you are violating just about every rule there is. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/779 "2022-01-31T19:56:43Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I have no desire to be part of your virtue signalling grandstanding toxicity. _Leave me alone_ or I will call in the moderators as you are violating just about every rule there is. ROFL. Full on Drac huh? You can go ahead and snitch if it makes you feel better. Just don’t expect any respect in the future 😃 Not really violating any rules TBH. Merely asking a question. And you’ve more than answered 😃 The threat really does confirm your answer 😃 On an snark aside note, its sad to see. I pity you, truly. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/780 "2022-01-31T20:48:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Just don’t expect any respect in the future ‘Respect’ from so toxic a person as you is utterly worthless. I wish to discuss the actual topic of threads…_and that alone_…and not get caught up in your nauseating and toxic witch hunting. The person who has shown off their true colours here is actually you…and it is not a pleasant sight. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/781 "2022-01-31T21:04:15Z")
I think maybe the point of asking people whether they agree or disagree, for example, with anti-Semitic slurs in EvE Online, is to try and establish some kind of consensus or agreement as to what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. I wouldn’t say it’s a witch hunt, but rather just a very reasonable attempt to establish some basic norms of decency and common courtesy. Is that too much to expect? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/782 "2022-01-31T21:11:01Z")
Calm down sweet cheeks. Now gank and makeup or @Gix_Firebrand may take you over his knee. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/f/d/3fd12c8c4f04c1899f56bcb25fa1c20e6b747648.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/783 "2022-01-31T21:13:29Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > ‘Respect’ from so toxic a person as you is utterly worthless. I wish to discuss the actual topic of threads…_and that alone_…and not get caught up in your nauseating and toxic witch hunting. The person who has shown off their true colours here is actually you…and it is not a pleasant sight. Heh. Nice ad hominem there to avoid the point eh? If my true color is speaking out against it, then yea, it is 😃 Still notice after all these words, ye haven’t answered 😃 > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I think maybe the point of asking people whether they agree or disagree, for example, with anti-Semitic slurs in EvE Online, is to try and establish some kind of consensus or agreement as to what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. I wouldn’t say it’s a witch hunt, but rather just a very reasonable attempt to establish some basic norms of decency and common courtesy. Is that too much to expect? Apparently it is 😃 Its ok. I knew it going in. Its kinda shocking innit? Seeing how much people will actually let go when it suits them. ---
**Author:** ![Lano\_Oko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lano_oko/32/417537_2.png) [@Lano\_Oko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lano_Oko)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/784 "2022-01-31T23:14:09Z")
I’m flabbergasted. I didn’t know you were capable of this level of cowardice. Then again, you seem to be fond of making misandric “wife beater” comments. So maybe I’ve should have seen this coming. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/785 "2022-01-31T23:33:15Z")
Wut. You’ve been hitting that quafe rock again I see LOL. I’ve never seen Aiko level those types of insults and I’m a regular in Why Was I Ganked 😃 What’s funny is Githany mentioned a smear campaign earlier, and now we see one in real time 😃 I mean at least grow a few and slander with your main bruv 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/786 "2022-02-01T00:24:52Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Heh. Nice ad hominem there to avoid the point eh? Coming from the person whose every post is _nothing but_ ad hominem and twisted toxicity. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/787 "2022-02-01T00:29:59Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > but rather just a very reasonable attempt to establish some basic norms of decency and common courte I can only thus conclude that you would not recognise decency and common courtesy if if fell out of space and made a 200 mile wide crater. Gix’s behaviour here has been absolutely disgusting…and I see you merely trying to add to it. Have you no shame at all ? Neither of you seem to grasp the extent to which it is you who is being shown up. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/788 "2022-02-01T00:33:35Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > What’s funny is Githany mentioned a smear campaign earlier, and now we see one in real time 😃 My God…that truly takes the biscuit, coming from the person who’s spent the last 200 posts doing nothing but try to smear. The utter hypocrisy here seems to know no limits. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=38) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=40)