# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/790 "2022-02-01T00:42:16Z")
Man, at this point it would have been easier to just say “I don’t support toxicity or bigotry, don’t insinuate that I do, and get back on-topic” than continue to do backflips to avoid it and turn it around on people. E: It is not unfair at all to hold expectations of alliance and coalition leaders to maintain safe, friendly, and non-descriminatory environments for the people that fly under their ticker. They indeed have the power to curate such environments, and kick/ban people who violate the rules they set forth. In that way they are definitely liable. I honestly haven’t been around long enough here to know how bad or good one side is versus the other in this regard, but it’s ludicrous to think people are victims if they throw up their hands and say “I can’t help if X is a bigot in my alliance”. You can, actually, by denouncing it and holding it to your leaders to ensure such people don’t have a platform nor create toxic environments for others. If they don’t, then you should leave. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/793 "2022-02-01T01:50:14Z")
@ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode lot of the usual back and forth going on, dare I say it… The Same Ol Trolling? Might be time to clean/nuke. (Not that James or a minion won’t just make a new one.) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/794 "2022-02-01T01:52:06Z")
1. James doesn’t even play anymore bruv 2. Really? This how we know EVE ain’t EVE anymore. The snitching and crying is just sad honestly. How can you hate daddy CCP but yet run to them constantly to save you? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/795 "2022-02-01T03:03:51Z")
> [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](#): > > Man, at this point it would have been easier to just say “I don’t support toxicity or bigotry, don’t insinuate that I do, and get back on-topic” than I think it’s nicely on topic , they can’t be failing any more if they tried. As op I’m happy with this and I’m sure we are all keeping it in game and they are attacks on our in-game characters and not the real player 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/796 "2022-02-01T03:13:39Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > But because she ganks, she deserves people making alts with terrible names and spamming things in local and constantly harrassing her in game? Poor old Githany gets a lot of harassment in game , the way I play I expect it from certain groups , not one miner or mission runner has attacked me in such away. I could stop such attacks right now by changing the way I play . Don’t people understand this. Well one miner did protest but he didn’t understand our intentions. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/797 "2022-02-01T05:21:38Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Poor old Githany gets a lot of harassment in game , the way I play I expect it from certain groups , not one miner or mission runner has attacked me in such away. **I could stop such attacks right now by changing the way I play .** This is basically victim-blaming right there. Like saying “if she didn’t want to get assaulted, she shouldn’t have worn yoga pants and jogged in the park after sunset.” You don’t **get** it. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Like the lengths they’ll go thru to not denounce and actually condone the treatment, only because Aiko ganks is just crazy to me. It’s not crazy to _me,_ though. They’re the same as the people who fill Aiko’s blog. The only difference is that they’re familiar enough with the game’s meta to not say the things that would actually get them published there. Otherwise, they feel an affinity to those players, and likely think the same things internally as they do. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > The snitching and crying is just sad honestly. Positively correlated with aversion to PvP in general. They don’t view cowardice in a negative context, just like they don’t view snitching and whining in a negative context. Internally, all of these are labeled as morally-acceptable ways to act by them. Kind of weird when this includes people who are allegedly ex-military, but I’ve seen a few similar cases before. Be wary of those who constantly complain about other people during a zombie apocalypse. They’re the ones who will clip your foot to use you as a distraction so that they can escape. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/798 "2022-02-01T05:32:54Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s not crazy to _me,_ though. They’re the same as the people who fill Aiko’s blog. The only difference is that they’re familiar enough with the game’s meta to not say the things that would actually get them published there. Otherwise, they feel an affinity to those players, and likely think the same things internally as they do. I guess so. Just sad to see really. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Positively correlated with aversion to PvP in general. They don’t view cowardice in a negative context, just like they don’t view snitching and whining in a negative context. Internally, all of these are labeled as morally-acceptable ways to act by them. Kind of weird when this includes people who are allegedly ex-military, but I’ve seen a few similar cases before. > > Be wary of those who constant;y complain about other people during a zombie apocalypse. They’re the ones who will clip your foot to use you as a distraction so that they can escape. True. Yea its crazy they are down with snitching too. Blows my mind LOL. I can’t imagine crying to daddy CCP for anything. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/799 "2022-02-01T05:53:03Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > So the behavior of calling out harrassment is disgusting? You are the one _doing_ the harassing. Hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/800 "2022-02-01T05:57:33Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You searched far and wide, and finally thought you found something to grab on to Nope…I saw that post of yours only an hour or so earlier. And there are others in which you disparage ‘boomers’. Yet you have the utter gall and hypocrisy to try to take the moral high ground on ‘discriminating bigots’. Since when was ageism not a form of discrimination ? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/801 "2022-02-01T06:01:36Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Poor old Githany gets a lot of harassment in game Well its hardly surprising when one ventures in here and finds some of the most toxic people on the internet all patting each other on the back with a sort of ’ you pretend I’m not toxic and I’ll pretend you’re not’. They’ve probably driven off all the decent people years ago, ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/802 "2022-02-01T06:22:26Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Nope…I saw that post of yours only an hour or so earlier. And there are others in which you disparage ‘boomers’. Yet you have the utter gall and hypocrisy to try to take the moral high ground on ‘discriminating bigots’. Since when was ageism not a form of discrimination ? Nope. If I were ageist, I’d have to discriminate against people who are older or younger than what I found acceptable, and not against a specific and relatively narrow age band that circumstantially defines the social/economic behavior of those people, which is in fact what I judge negatively about them. I see the generations that came before the boomers in a much better and more respectful light. Be careful about jumping on those “eureka!” moments in debates, because they’re usually traps. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/803 "2022-02-01T06:57:09Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Like saying “if she didn’t want to get assaulted, she shouldn’t have worn yoga pants and jogged in the park after sunset.” Wait wait , I’m talking about eve , it’s a means to drive conflict which is the point > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You don’t **get** it And as it may suprise you **I do get it and understand the difference** ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/804 "2022-02-01T07:48:36Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Nope. If I were ageist, I’d have to discriminate against people who are older or younger than what I found acceptable, and not against a specific and relatively narrow age band that circumstantially defines the social/economic behavior of those people, which is in fact what I judge negatively about them. I see the generations that came before the boomers in a much better and more respectful light. But you are judging an entire group of people _defined_ by their age ( i,e ‘boomers’ ) in a totally stereotype manner regardless of their actual circumstance. The point is not whether you limit this to a certain corridor of age…but that you include ALL those within that range, without exception. Never mind that 95% of them likely _don’t_ fit your prescribed ‘socio-economic behaviour’. Surely the very _definition_ of discrimination is **any** form of ’ all X are Y…’ form of stereotyping. Gix is no different, with his ‘all AG are…’ and attempts to insinuate regarding them too. Seriously, the level of utter hypocrisy here seems to know no bounds. Supposedly protecting people from stereotyping and discrimination…whilst engaging in just that. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/805 "2022-02-01T08:00:05Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > And as it may suprise you **I do get it and understand the difference** It doesn’t appear that you do. The whole point of this discussion (in recent posts) is that things are transcending eve. If player A ganks player B then player B can trash talk all they want. They can rp all they want. They can mobilise in game and take revenge if they want. That’s eve. The issue that is being highlighted is that when Player B’s response becomes rl threats it is unacceptable. Magnified where player A may have a female avatar and the those rl threats include references to sexual abuse. This happens. It is an issue and pretending it doesn’t happen is willfull ignorance. You have for good or for Ill set yourself up as the anti-ganking figurehead. You are encouraging players to mobilise and fight back. Which is all great in game. But what happens when someone who is carrying out actions in your name goes to far. Ultimately it is that player that is in the wrong but as mobiliser in chief you need to shoulder some responsibility and be clear what is and is not acceptable in your name. Like it or not you are a leader ……. So lead. Be clear what is and what is not acceptable behaviour for members of your corp alliance and affiliates. It’s not so long ago there was a thread where a group of people had ganked a newbie on stream and and the guy had a breakdown live on twitch as a result. Aiko wasn’t there, wasn’t part of it. But boy was Aiko blamed for it. The pitch forks were out. Aiko was forced to assess the issue and she did. Just like you now need to address behaviour of players who do things in your name. All you are being asked is to be clear that you think this behaviour is unacceptable…… and you don’t seem to be able to. And that is what is concerning. Wake up. You have started something that is bigger than you. And that makes you accountable ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/806 "2022-02-01T08:04:16Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > But you are judging an entire group of people _defined_ by their age ( i,e ‘boomers’ ) in a totally stereotype manner regardless of their actual circumstance. The point is not whether you limit this to a certain corridor of age…but that you include ALL those within that range, without exception. Never mind that 95% of them likely _don’t_ fit your prescribed ‘socio-economic behaviour’. > > Surely the very _definition_ of discrimination is **any** form of ’ all X are Y…’ form of stereotyping. > > Gix is no different, with his ‘all AG are…’ and attempts to insinuate regarding them too. > > Seriously, the level of utter hypocrisy here seems to know no bounds. Supposedly protecting people from stereotyping and discrimination…whilst engaging in just that. You don’t understand what discrimination is. It’s literally impossible to _discriminate_ against someone who holds all the power. I can’t _discriminate_ against a group that can basically have me killed by raising my rent by $50. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > **stereotyping and discrimination** The two are vastly different and not categorically mutually inclusive, and I’m engaging in the former, and not the latter. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > You don’t **get** it > > And as it may suprise you **I do get it and understand the difference** No, you really don’t. You quite literally just said that if Aiko doesn’t want to be illegitimately singled out and discriminated against based on sex/gender, then Aiko shouldn’t engage in a legitimate, sanctioned activity (non-consensual player-killing in a video game that supports and validates such an activity). Ergo, you are blaming the victim. And if you _do_ get it, then you’re willingly ignoring it, which is even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/809 "2022-02-01T09:19:24Z")
What a sad personal attack on Githany. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/810 "2022-02-01T09:23:07Z")
I recommend investing in a dictionary and checking the definitions of “sad”, “personal” and “attack”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/811 "2022-02-01T09:23:41Z")
You should be ashamed of that previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/812 "2022-02-01T09:27:49Z")
Outrage can be manufactured as well as a bullet. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/813 "2022-02-01T09:29:49Z")
Why? If someone sets themselves up as a leader of something they cannot simply abdicate responsibility for what that something does. If real life threats are being being made by members of the anti-ganking community then the leader of that community needs to be clear as to whether those threats are policy…… or a rogue element. To quote uncle Ben “with great power comes great responsibility” It’s a simple issue. Are threats or sexual harassment acceptable? Should be easy to address right? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=39) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=41)