# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/814 "2022-02-01T09:40:32Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > What a sad personal attack on Githany. Wut. Are you in fact serious? Cause uh, that was far from it. You gotta know that right? Please tell me this is trolling. Cause if not, oof. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You should be ashamed of that previous post. Wut. It was well written and summed up everything nicely. I mean like.. you serious or > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > If someone sets themselves up as a leader of something they cannot simply abdicate responsibility for what that something does. Methinks Githany has set herself in this role without understanding what it means. But I refer back to Mordo’s saying on that. I do hope they bring him back in other movies, love that actor. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/815 "2022-02-01T09:49:10Z")
For a start what makes you think Githany is the leader of AG? Githany has no responsibility either, it is just stupid guilt by association carried out by nasty people bringing RL stuff in to the game. You should look at yourself and the other people doing this. Shame on you… Githany has made no real life threats nor has she carried out any abuse, real or **imagined** , she has handled herself with good humour and decorum on the forums despite the insults thrown her way, and the shameful closure of her threads. She is a model forum user and has my total respect. Leave Githany alone… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/816 "2022-02-01T10:08:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Githany has made no real life threats nor has she carried out any abuse, real or **imagined** We’re not accusing Githany of abuse, we’re accusing **you** (and your “sharp” pal) of abuse, and (nearly) everyone whose honor you lot protect and defend. Githany is accused for not taking a hardline stance and disavowing you and your kind on the merit of the abuse you are responsible for. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/817 "2022-02-01T10:09:11Z")
Public perception for starters. Githany starts the anti-ganking threads. Githany is the most visible in promoting the cause. If Githany isn’t the leader than perhaps Githany and yourself and can pass my observations and concerns on to the actual leadership to be addressed. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Githany has made no real life threats or carried out any abuse, she had handled herself with humour and decorum on the forums. She is a model forum user and has my total respect No doubt. Where have i accused Githany of making any threats? My point is that as the leader of AG (which being the public face of the organisation, she is, regardless of whether she owns a structure) people look to Githany as an example. If that example isn’t prepared to definitively say that real life threats are unacceptable then they are condoning it. That’s not a good look. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Githany has no responsibility either, it is just stupid guilt by association carried out by nasty people bringing RL stuff in to the game. You should look at yourself and the other people doing this. Shame on you… Perhaps you should remember these words the next time there is a “i just got ganked” thread and everyone piles on Aiko? Just a tad hypocritical given the countless attacks in thread after thread about ganking levelled at a single individual. My position …… 1 real life threats are unacceptable in the eve community 2 leaders and public figures in eve should be clear that members of their organisations who participate in such behaviour will be expelled from said organisations. I’m sorry that you feel like this is a position i should be ashamed of. However i do feel that says much more about you than it does about me. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/818 "2022-02-01T10:14:27Z")
You are using guilt by association with real life stuff to attack Githany and for that you should be ashamed. #leavegithanyalone ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/820 "2022-02-01T10:22:19Z")
No. I am trying to get just one member of AG to actually say that real life threats against players in EVE is unacceptable behaviour. I don’t think asking a public figure/leader to confirm their views on an issue like this is at all unreasonable. I get you people like to argue. And you in particular go out of your way to be contrary because its your thing. But do you really want to be the guy that couldn’t handle having to concede that threats of sexual assault against players is wrong out of misguided pride? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/821 "2022-02-01T10:27:59Z")
#leavegithanyalone Is all you should understand. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/822 "2022-02-01T10:30:03Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Now you’re pulling this card? Ick. Even less respect. Purely in response to you pulling the ‘all anti-gankers are sexist…yada..yada’ card. You now hypocritically try to deny that you were tarring ‘all’…but your own words ( above ) were " Why don’t _you_ _and the rest of the AGs_ report those people ". You are clearly tarring ‘the rest of the AGs’ who really have nothing whatever to do with your gripe. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/823 "2022-02-01T10:36:26Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > No. I am trying to get just one member of AG to actually say that real life threats against players in EVE is unacceptable behaviour. No…you are doing no different to what McCarthy did with his ’ are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist party ? '. Merely asserting that all a person has to do is say ‘no’ misses the fact that the scandal of McCarthy was that innocent people were even having such demand made on them in the first place ! The correct response is not ‘no’…it is ’ who the hell are you to be making such demands ?'. Who made you judge and jury ? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/824 "2022-02-01T10:45:39Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > The correct response is not ‘no’…it is ’ who the hell are you to be making such demands ?’. Who made you judge and jury No. The correct response is “The anti-gank community does not condone any real life threats against other players and any members of the community found to have been involved in such practices will be expelled from the organisation.” I mean its player enforcement of the terms of service. It’s a basic level of decency. Leaders should set the tone. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/825 "2022-02-01T10:47:32Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > My position …… > > 1 real life threats are unacceptable in the eve community My position… Guilt by association is totally unacceptable in the Eve community. Attempts to smear people via such association are totally unacceptable in the Eve community. If a person has commited some act…that is the responsibility of that person ALONE. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/826 "2022-02-01T10:51:47Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > “The anti-gank community does not condone any real life threats against other players and any members of the community found to have been involved in such practices will be expelled from the organisation.” Oh God what a load of old cobblers. What ‘anti gank community’ ? Purely some concoction of your own mind for the sake of smearing a wide group of disparate people. I know…let’s have a ‘Caracal ship owners community’…then if one person who owns a Caracal commits some crime we can dunk _all_ of them in the mill pond 🙂 Anyway…I’m just off to join the ‘Blonde haired Eve toons community’…though I do hope they don’t have any criminal members you might associate me with. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/827 "2022-02-01T11:00:50Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Guilt by association is totally unacceptable in the Eve community. Why? I seem to recall you if someone ganks you set their corporation to bad standings right? I seem to remember having this conversation with you before. Haven’t you just made the whole corp guilty because of the actions of one member? If you ran a corp and some members went on a ganking spree that resulted in your corp being blacklisted by your neighbours and your members getting targeted……… Would the “we are not guilty” argument hold up. No it wouldn’t. In null its common. Some random player might inadvertently (accidentally on purpose) shoot a blue. Is that resolved between players………. No its usually sorted out between corps or the alliance etc. That players actions have impacted their corp. The actions of individuals reflect on the organisations that they are part of end of. If members of AG are making rl threats against players that reflects on AG. But the thing is………It’s such an easy fix. AG simply need to say they don’t condone that behaviour and kick the members involved. Yet here we are. Having the issue twisted around so that the people pointing out that threats and in particular threats of a sexual nature are unacceptable, are being portrayed as the villains. Because in a rp war between gankers and anti-gankers the AG are supposed to be the good guys lol. I’m suddenly reminded of the episode of peep show where they go larping and David Mitchells character has the moment of realisation and asks “are we the baddies” lol ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/828 "2022-02-01T11:17:31Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Yet here we are. Having the issue twisted around Oh…I agree ! And the likes of yourself are doing the twisting…calling for ‘decency’ yet it is clear I’m responding to people who haven’t the faintest idea what decency actually is. Your pathetic attempt to draw some equivalence between ‘bad standings’ ( a perfectly legitimate practice ) and behaviour that violates the TOS is just absurd. What’s more, members of an Eve corp or alliance have _chosen_ to be in that…whereas you have merely _invented_ some ‘anti gank community’ that has as much existential substance as ‘The Eve members who drive Volvos’ community. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/829 "2022-02-01T11:21:56Z")
Ah. So there is no anti-ganking community. I live and learn. Although I have to wonder whether our prominent Anti-Gankers would agree. I mean they have their chat channels, they organise, they have fleet ops and they encourage others to join them to have a common purpose. That sounds very community like to me. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/830 "2022-02-01T12:23:37Z")
Unwarranted and false allegations of RL threats and sexual harassment. The objective of these people is to make Githany state a position so as to give weight to these false allegations. As I said: #leavegithanyalone ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/831 "2022-02-01T12:33:16Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > But boy was Aiko blamed for it. The pitch forks were out. Aiko was forced to assess the issue and she did. Lol she support it on her blog and laughed, so that point is void . I’m not the figurehead people have given me that title , I’m just a line member in my corp fighting criminals in eve online. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/832 "2022-02-01T12:35:29Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Anyway…I’m just off to join the ‘Blonde haired Eve toons community’…though I do hope they don’t have any criminal members you might associate me with. And I’m off to join the red head community of Eve and I hope the same 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/833 "2022-02-01T12:39:12Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Ah. So there is no anti-ganking community. I have and will continue to call it a resistance movement, a resistance to ganking and their meta games, like the false allegations you and others are making. So there is an intel channel and a chat channel. Read the MOTD of the chat and intel channel, both channels are moderated, start abusing people in there and you will be kicked and muted, as many gankers have found out. Active people organise themselves in response to ganker activity and use the chat channel to do just that. There is no leader as such, never has been. There has been people supporting this movement and pushing it and the gankers just run around and declare people who post on the forums as the leader so they can play games like what you are doing here, they tried to do the exact same thing to me several years ago. Just stop it, stop being a sicko! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/834 "2022-02-01T12:41:41Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > . If Githany isn’t the leader than perhaps Githany and yourself and can pass my observations and concerns on to the actual leadership to be addressed. I can’t I’m currently looking for the leader of the eve toon redhead society [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=40) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=42)