# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Bruvetler\_Audanie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bruvetler_audanie/32/452637_2.png) [@Bruvetler\_Audanie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bruvetler_Audanie)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/876 "2022-02-01T19:16:23Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Like, uh, the other day someone tried to join my alliance, and they were making a lot of anti-Semitic slurs. It was inappropriate. I told them this isn’t acceptable, and I don’t condone that kind of behaviour. I don’t have any problem stating that in public, but for some reason the antiganking community is unable to do this? Why is that? > > If somebody asks me whether I support anti-Semitic discrimination in EvE Online, my response is, “No, absolutely not.” I don’t see the need to write a lengthy essay explaining why I can’t or won’t denounce anti-Semitism. Funny, when you have people in your alliance whose very names ARE anti-semitic slurs. [BigNoseRabbi OyVeyShekels](https://evewho.com/character/2118216781), who is an alt of Shekelstein Shakiel, another Safety. member who has been in your own corps. You were just fleeted up with him a few weeks ago and many times before, it must have escaped your notice: [https://zkillboard.com/kill/98020922/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/98020922/) ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/877 "2022-02-01T19:37:45Z")
Calling out James hypocrisy just winds them up more. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/878 "2022-02-01T21:21:19Z")
James don’t even play bro. Also the mass reporting of my posts makes me LOL 😃 Thanks for ceding the field. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/879 "2022-02-01T21:21:44Z")
Yes, and the antiganking community also has people with inappropriate names, who do and say inappropriate things. The difference here is that I am willing to acknowledge it, and say that I don’t condone it or agree with it - whereas the antigankers ONLY object to gankers, and they never ever ever criticize their own group. > [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > hypocrisy Yes, that’s hypocrisy. For the record, Shekel is Jewish in real-life, and his references are self-demeaning. In much the same way, Evan McClean (with Japanese ancestry) enjoys talking about “rice eaters”. It’s certainly off-colour humour. The other day I banned someone from my channels for outright neo-fascist statements. See, that’s the thing. I agree it’s inappropriate, I can criticize my own group of people - but can antigankers do the same? > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I’ll never be drawn into giving real life opinions We’ve seen essay after essay, in which the antigankers deflect and refuse to make any statement which might acknowledge toxic elements in their own community. I’m well aware that some of my people are immature, some of them are alcoholics, some of them I don’t even like. However, we don’t get that same honesty from the antigankers. They insist that they have some moral high ground, but they do not. ---
**Author:** ![Wah\_Huren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wah_huren/32/394699_2.png) [@Wah\_Huren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wah_Huren)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/880 "2022-02-01T21:37:09Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Also the mass reporting of my posts makes me LOL you too? That’s a relief… I thought I’d upset someone’s feelings… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/881 "2022-02-01T21:38:29Z")
> [@Wah\_Huren](#): > > you too? > That’s a relief… I thought I’d upset someone’s feelings… I mean it don’t bother me none. If anything, if people have to cry to daddy CCP about my posts, it means I have absolutely won 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/882 "2022-02-01T22:06:05Z")
A: I flagged like one, because you’re trolling. B: “cede the field”? We aren’t fighting. You’re a troll trying to get a reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/883 "2022-02-01T22:10:24Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > They insist that they have some moral high ground, but they do not. Neither of you do. You’re two groups doing your utmost to piss off people for fun. I wholeheartedly acknowledge that the side you and yours oppose level _way_ worse abuse at you, but then, you and yours deliberately try to spin them up to that level. The frothy rage flecked spittle is exactly what you want, because it amuses you. That’s what _all_ the rp and the blogs are for. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/884 "2022-02-01T22:11:12Z")
> [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > doing your utmost to piss off people for fun. No, that’s not at all the point of ganking. Gankers might find it amusing if someone starts ranting and raving, but that is not the motivation for ganking, or the purpose of it. If nobody ever got upset, the gankers would not go away, and they would not stop ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/885 "2022-02-01T22:12:14Z")
Not _the_ purpose, but EvE wouldn’t be known as a salt mine if it weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/886 "2022-02-01T22:12:18Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Well this really sums it up. Whether you think this discussion is justified or not threats and abuse that cross the threshold of any games is a serious issues. > > Mocking as a response. That’s a really bad look. You mean an off topic issue that Gix raised…_.as he always does_…purely as a straw man and red herring ? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/887 "2022-02-01T22:15:52Z")
Go look at Aikos blog. Look at the screenshots of the death threats. Threats of sexual assault. That exists. And you and your buddies are twisting around doing everything you can to avoid saying it’s wrong. I have finally seen pure evil ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/888 "2022-02-01T22:20:16Z")
> [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > A: I flagged like one, because you’re trolling. > > B: “cede the field”? We aren’t fighting. You’re a troll trying to get a reaction. LOL those posts were far from trolling. I’d argue you’re the one trolling, necroing threads and all 😃 Its ok bruv. Thanks for surrendering 😃 > [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > Neither of you do. You’re two groups doing your utmost to piss off people for fun. > > I wholeheartedly acknowledge that the side you and yours oppose level _way_ worse abuse at you, but then, you and yours deliberately try to spin them up to that level. The frothy rage flecked spittle is exactly what you want, because it amuses you. > > That’s what _all_ the rp and the blogs are for. Oof. Gotta love that victim blaming. If she just didn’t wear a crop top amirite? > [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > Not _the_ purpose, but EvE wouldn’t be known as a salt mine if it weren’t. Ganking is done for profit bruv. Do you have any idea how much they make LOL. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You mean an off topic issue that Gix raised…_.as he always does_…purely as a straw man and red herring ? Man. If I was a fisher of men, maybe I’d have enough herring to do what you’ve been saying 😃 You’ll do anything to deflect and not answer huh? Gotta say, I’m still surprised. Drac got that blackmail on you or > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > And you and your buddies are twisting around doing everything you can to avoid saying it’s wrong. > > I have finally seen pure evil Sadly its more like they are upset over space pixels, ergo anything that happens to Aiko is warranted cause they made about a vidya game. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/889 "2022-02-01T22:20:34Z")
Stop nonce-ing. You’ve “seen the blog”, but somehow missed where this produces gleeful chortling and egging on? You folks insult people’s intelligence as a primary hobby. Yeah, James and his female avatars get the most vile ■■■■ slung that a enraged human can muster. Yes, it’s deplorable and a loss of their dignity. And yes, you push the line until you _get_ that response. You’ll dance on the microedge of the rules specifically to infuriate and annoy, so you can all laugh and have your blogs and SoundClouds. And you know what? I’m all for it. The gankers _always_ follow the rules, while they bait others to break them. You’re not the ones doing wrong. Your victims are. But FFS stop acting like no one else sees the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/890 "2022-02-01T22:22:47Z")
> [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > You folks insult people’s intelligence as a primary hobby. I mean, Etch’s posts are definitely well thought out and very well presented. Do you not live in reality or > [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > Yeah, James and his female avatars get the most vile ■■■■ slung that a enraged human can muster. Yes, it’s deplorable and a loss of their dignity. Heh your bias is obvious. Also James quit my boy. Why do you labor under this delusion? > [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > And yes, you push the line until you _get_ that response. You’ll dance on the microedge of the rules specifically to infuriate and annoy, so you can all laugh and have your blogs and SoundClouds. You realize neither me nor Etch is a ganker yea? > [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > The gankers _always_ follow the rules Ganking is a gameplay supported playstyle. Sorry you’re salty about it brah 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/891 "2022-02-01T22:22:52Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Were you implying I’m a ganker? You don’t seem to have any problem making all manner of implications yourself…in a thread 90% of the substance of which consists of inane ’ all members of X are Y…’ retorts that would not be out of place in a school play yard. It would appear that far larger than the ganker or anti-ganker ‘communities’ is the ‘Members incapable of acting like anything other than school kids’ group. Judging by this forum it has a very large membership. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/892 "2022-02-01T22:23:51Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You don’t seem to have any problem making all manner of implications yourself…in a thread 90% of the substance of which consists of inane ’ all members of X are Y…’ retorts that would not be out of place in a school play yard. It would appear that far larger than the ganker or anti-ganker ‘communities’ is the ‘Members incapable of acting like anything other than school kids’ group. > > Judging by this forum it has a very large membership. I still am much confused by your hysterics in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/893 "2022-02-01T22:24:35Z")
Unbelievable. I really have no words left. You people are absolute scum ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/894 "2022-02-01T22:27:01Z")
To be perfectly frank…this is how trying to ‘debate’ here makes me feel. This is the ‘welcome to Eve’ that a lot of toxic people give to noobs here… ![planetoftheapesending](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/4/8/d484933f66f95f6bddf80c38c768c68f80995b31.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/895 "2022-02-01T22:28:54Z")
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