# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/916 "2022-02-02T02:09:55Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Ah. So that’s the out you’re going to take? Just label toxic and troll to dodge and deflect. What have your _personal_ quarrels got to do with me ? Why am I being labelled alongside whoever you have a quarrel with _merely_ because I seek to engage in a particular play style ? No…Gix…the person behaving in a discriminatory manner is actually you, seeking to duck everyone in the mill pond via some spurious ‘association’. The very _hallmark_ of discrimination is any form of ’ all X are Y…’ type stereotype. Oh…and expecting people to ‘condemn’ things they’ve had nothing whatever to do with in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/917 "2022-02-02T02:21:59Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Ok just to get this thread back on track it’s about ganker fails in the game. > > That means when they mess up , when we save a ship or have a nice killright hunt , the only grey area is when they get salty in local , I see that as a success as they are failing to keep it together in game My own personal policy is never to chat to gankers either before, during, or after any gank. Or during AG. Silence is the best ( and wisest ) policy. The other day I bumped a ganker ship at Dodixie ( my first ever deliberate bumping…was surprised how effective it could be using just a shuttle ) and zoomed off, all without a word. I neither know nor care if anyone got salty. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/918 "2022-02-02T03:57:26Z")
Oh, so you _are_ an antiganker? I thought you were roleplaying as an objective unaffiliated bystander. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/919 "2022-02-02T07:12:22Z")
This is beyond idiotic. I saw your post before heading to bed but I knew what I needed to say in the morning. That blog is full of lies and bullshite, for example on the Eve forums I liked a gif, in that blog there was a screen print of my gif post completely out of context. So if you rely on that blog for assessing this then you are barking up the wrong tree. Eve has a petition system for in game abuse, when it happens you use it, you do not run off and create a gloating embellished blown up blog post out of it. So my advice to you is simple, tell the gankers to use the petition system. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/920 "2022-02-02T07:25:02Z")
Posting this 200 posts ago would have saved a lot of posts. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/921 "2022-02-02T07:27:51Z")
I’m not here 24 /7 be responsible for your own writing What I said in that post has been repeated many times before ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/922 "2022-02-02T07:42:14Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > What have your _personal_ quarrels got to do with me ? Why am I being labelled alongside whoever you have a quarrel with _merely_ because I seek to engage in a particular play style ? > > No…Gix…the person behaving in a discriminatory manner is actually you, seeking to duck everyone in the mill pond via some spurious ‘association’. The very _hallmark_ of discrimination is any form of ’ all X are Y…’ type stereotype. Oh…and expecting people to ‘condemn’ things they’ve had nothing whatever to do with in the first place. LOL that’s a lot of hyperbole. I like how you try to deflect and re-frame it. You’ll do anything but condemn sexual harrassment. Interesting. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > My own personal policy is never to chat to gankers either before, during, or after any gank. Or during AG. Silence is the best ( and wisest ) policy. The other day I bumped a ganker ship at Dodixie ( my first ever deliberate bumping…was surprised how effective it could be using just a shuttle ) and zoomed off, all without a word. I neither know nor care if anyone got salty. Uh. Shuttles suck for bumping. Use a nano-omen. At least learn to EVE and google better ROFL. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > That blog is full of lies and bullshite Riiight. And your opinion isn’t biased at all right? ROFL. You’re a sad little man. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I’m not here 24 /7 be responsible for your own writing > What I said in that post has been repeated many times before Right. You’re just a simple line member with no influence right? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/923 "2022-02-02T07:43:07Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That blog is full of lies and bullshite, for example on the Eve forums I liked a gif, in that blog there was a screen print of my gif post completely out of context. Like when you asked someone to prove their gender. Was that taken out of context to. The reality is that every single one of us can do better on this issue. And should do better. The problem in your case is that you are incapable of of being self critical > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Eve has a petition system for in game abuse, when it happens you use it, you do not run off and create a gloating embellished blown up blog post out of it. So my advice to you is simple, tell the gankers to use the petition system. Not good enough. A 14 day ban and they are back playing with the same people laughing and joking about it. And more than likely doing it again. And all their corp mates celebrating it like a badge of honour. CCP can slap out discipline all they like but this stuff is a systemic problem in gaming and the fix only worth while fix is to change player culture. And we do that by speaking out when we see this kind of behaviour and being clear it’s wrong. That’s why people spoke out when you demanded a player prove their gender. That’s why I’m speaking out at the appalling “this does not apply to me it’s someone else’s problem” attitudes in this thread. But you obviously don’t like that and as such imply am a ganker. Refuse to answer simple direct questions, bloviate, deflect and accuse me of meta gaming (whatever the ■■■■ that is). Which is your right. But just highlights the massive problem all gaming culture has. And as evidenced by this thread speaking out isn’t easy. Because this toxic behaviour is so common that anyone that dares to suggest high profile players in game can and should use their platform for betterment are just shouted down and insulted. My entire point yesterday was that threats and abuse are never acceptable and that in game leaders can and should address this when people engage in that activity in their name. What I would consider a reasonable position. Yet I’m made to feel like I have somehow crossed a line in a saying that. But you win. I’m away to toddle off with me tail between my legs as this is obviously a lost cause. I seriously hope things get better. But in the face of what’s went on here…… well who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/924 "2022-02-02T07:52:17Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Like when you asked someone to prove their gender. Was that taken out of context to. Yeah, because I never said that, see you just quoted a lie to me. Someone else suggested that Aiko was not female and he did not go as far as what you wrote in demanding proof either from what I recall, so let me insist, I never asked that question. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > The reality is that every single one of us can do better on this issue. And should do better. The problem in your case is that you are incapable of of being self critical From a person who cannot differentiate propaganda from reality as you proved above. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Not good enough. A 14 day ban and they are back playing with the same people laughing and joking about it. And more than likely doing it again. And all their corp mates celebrating it like a badge of honour. Actually no, because it works, they will ban completely if they continue. That you do not know how this works indicates yet again that you have no clue. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > That’s why people spoke out when you demanded a player prove their gender. That’s why I’m speaking out at the appalling “this does not apply to me it’s someone else’s problem” attitudes in this thread. You are digging yourself in deep, I was not the person who did that. And I do not recall that he asked for Aiko to prove their gender either. Get your facts right. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > But you obviously don’t like that and as such imply am a ganker. You are telling me I did something I did not do and then insisting that I apologise for it based on what you read on that blog, of course I don’t like it. Way to go tiger, you proved my point. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > And as evidenced by this thread speaking out isn’t easy. Because this toxic behaviour is so common that anyone that dares to suggest high profile players in game can and should use their platform for betterment are just shouted down and insulted. I am not going to say anything when they are false and neither should Githany. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > But you win. No you lose, because you fell for the propaganda on that blog. Use the petition system, it exists for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/925 "2022-02-02T07:58:34Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > My entire point yesterday was that threats and abuse are never acceptable and that in game leaders can and should address this when people engage in that activity in their name. What I would consider a reasonable position. Yet I’m made to feel like I have somehow crossed a line in a saying that. > > But you win. I’m away to toddle off with me tail between my legs as this is obviously a lost cause. I seriously hope things get better. But in the face of what’s went on here…… well who knows. The sad fact is Drac barely plays too. He just krabs and PIs and barely undocks. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am not going to say anything when they are false and neither should Githany. You wish they were. You know they aren’t or you wouldn’t be fighting so hard to make it go away. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > No you lose LOL you 5 years old mate? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/926 "2022-02-02T15:16:35Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Go look at Aikos blog. When I used to manage a huge MSN political forum, one of the things I used to refuse to allow was people linking to their blogs. The reason being that people can ( and do ) say pretty much what they like on their own personal blogs, whereas people responding on the forum are constrained by not only MSN rules but the forum rules too. You thus have a totally unfair situation, and I’ve had similar on Facebook, where a person is deviously _using_ a blog to interject all the things they can’t say directly on a forum. And of course, with a personal blog a person can manipulate the story to their heart’s desire. They can post emails, responses here, and so on…without any supervision of presentation. It is all incredibly one sided. Which is why I refuse to discuss people’s blogs. This forum, for example, is for views expressed here under the specific rules and regulations allowed. A level playing field. Introduce someone’s blogs…and it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/927 "2022-02-02T15:23:47Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Uh. Shuttles suck for bumping. Use a nano-omen. At least learn to EVE and google better ROFL. Sigh. I had not specifically set out to AG using a shuttle. In fact I was on a completely different mission transporting stuff right under the gankers noses. But the opportunity arose to bump one of the RIOT ships…and I took it. Now I know how effectively it works…I’ll be doing it more often. ‘Accidentally’, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/928 "2022-02-02T15:47:33Z")
Exactly that, the game is covered by the petition system, so any wrong doing using Eve mails, or in chat channels will be dealt with by that system. This forum is covered by CCP, and while they sub-contract to players who are a third party, with certain issues around that, it is still controlled by CCP and there is a system in place to deal with people who cross the line. I know as I have used both systems several times and will likely do it again. Neither I, or the other player who was the one who suggested that Aiko was not a female, not me to make sure that is understood, have been censured by CCP in any way shape or form. That says everything about it, if people want to check what was said it is in the Uedama thread that Githany started, and which got nuked by the ISD because the gankers spammed it with this rubbish, however that is not possible because someone deleted the thread, one of those neutral unbiased ISD’s perhaps? By using the blog any player interacting there is acting outside of CCP’s control, I only interact within the Eve forums, I don’t even go near Reddit because it is not controlled by CCP. The gif example I gave which was used in that blog was completely out of context to the Eve forum thread it was in, and what was said there. It was pure fantasy…, so much for that blog. It just cannot be trusted, simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/929 "2022-02-02T15:56:55Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > And as evidenced by this thread speaking out isn’t easy. No, you completely miss the point. Speaking out is incredibly easy. And I myself have in fact done so in the appropriate places, in various threads here. But _nobody_ is going to want to ‘speak out’ when the entire effort to _make_ them do so has undertones of witch trial and people using the issue as a straw man pawn for point scoring. It’s as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/930 "2022-02-02T19:32:35Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > No, you completely miss the point. Speaking out is incredibly easy. And I myself have in fact done so in the appropriate places, in various threads here. But _nobody_ is going to want to ‘speak out’ when the entire effort to _make_ them do so has undertones of witch trial and people using the issue as a straw man pawn for point scoring. > > It’s as simple as that. LOL at the excuses. Classic. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/931 "2022-02-02T19:39:21Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > with a personal blog a person can manipulate the story to their heart’s desire You can’t really manipulate someone _literally_ threatening to kill (and worse) you and your family. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/932 "2022-02-02T20:05:34Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL at the excuses. Classic. I don’t _need_ to make excuses to a non-entity. You have zero jurisdiction over my Eve. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/933 "2022-02-02T20:14:53Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can’t really manipulate someone _literally_ threatening to kill (and worse) you and your family. That doesn’t seem to stop you doing your best to. What’s it even got to do with this thread ? Or is this a case of Eve tourettes and you just can’t help shouting about it every 5 seconds ? Seems to be a lot of that going around. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/934 "2022-02-02T20:47:45Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > That doesn’t seem to stop you doing your best to. What’s it even got to do with this thread ? Well, as far as criminals are (topically) concerned, one would think that threatening to kill someone else would qualify them as such. A person would have to be a _real piece of work_ to see two players, one blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships, and the other threatening them with bodily harm because of it, and then verbally berating and chastising the former, while protecting and defending the honor and property of the latter. Being a gank victim and being a criminal aren’t mutually-exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/935 "2022-02-02T20:54:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > A person would have to be a _real piece of work_ to see two players, one blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships, and the other threatening them with bodily harm because of it, and then verbally berating and chastising the former, while protecting and defending the honor and property of the latter. Not half as much as the real piece of work they have to be to keep on and on using the matter as a red herring and straw man that gets wielded as a weapon in arguments…eh. There are few things more obnoxious on forums than people wielding faux righteous indignation supposedly on someone else’s behalf but really as a weapon for their own. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=45) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=47)