# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/936 "2022-02-02T20:59:37Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > A person would have to be a _real piece of work_ to see two players, one blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships, and the other threatening them with bodily harm because of it, and then verbally berating and chastising the former, while protecting and defending the honor and property of the latter. > > Not half as much as the real piece of work they have to be to keep on and on using the matter as a red herring and straw man that gets wielded as a weapon in arguments…eh. So you’re saying that a person is _worse_ if they’re (allegedly) employing a logical fallacy in an inconsequential forum debate, than if they’re choosing to morally and materially support someone who’s threatening other people with bodily harm, sexual abuse, et cetera, over their actions in a PvP video game? Great! It’s good to know where you personally stand on this issue! ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/937 "2022-02-02T21:01:34Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > So you’re saying that a person is _worse_ if they’re (allegedly) employing a logical fallacy in an inconsequential forum debate, than if they’re choosing to morally and materially support someone who’s threatening other people with bodily harm, sexual abuse, et cetera, over their actions in a PvP video game? Oh God…we’re back to Cathy Newman again. I love the way her ‘so you’re saying that…’ got demolished as the logical trickery it was. I’d give up while the going is bad. Logic has been a large part of my employment. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/938 "2022-02-02T21:24:39Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I don’t _need_ to make excuses to a non-entity. You have zero jurisdiction over my Eve. Get over it. LOL I’m not claiming jurisdiction. Your answer is obvious. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I’d give up while the going is bad. Logic has been a large part of my employment. Doubt that very much LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/939 "2022-02-02T21:33:06Z")
Nanananana. ( there…that’s about your level ) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/940 "2022-02-02T21:34:04Z")
Heh, you know what fallacy you are engaging in now huh? Thank you for ceding the field 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/941 "2022-02-02T22:30:23Z")
Just had a nice training op this evening with some new player and some rusty old f1 jockey . It all went well so we ended with a trip to uedama , as luck would have it Aiko and her gang was active so it was a nice chance for our new guys to see a large fleet gank and they didn’t disappoint. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/942 "2022-02-02T22:34:14Z")
That’s nice. You’re just a line member with no influence remember? Why update us? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/943 "2022-02-03T05:36:42Z")
Sometimes gankers get the right target: > **[Bowhead | Gonryu | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/98599404/)** > > Gonryu (South Pacific) lost their Bowhead in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Jeffery Kusion (KUSION SPECIAL TEAM) flying in a Talos. Total Value: 7,676,235,166.15 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/944 "2022-02-03T13:41:01Z")
Deader than 989 Studios… ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/945 "2022-02-03T13:58:13Z")
I really need to give this game another shot. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/946 "2022-02-04T14:43:06Z")
It’s good to read accounts showing gankers are not unbeatable. Not least because so many have an arrogant smugness that could do with being brought down a peg or two. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/947 "2022-02-04T17:33:34Z")
They are most definitely not unbeatable, I found that there is a natural arrogance that slips into complacency. The advantages they have is also part of this complacency, there are plenty of holes in their current method, but of course once you expose them in comes the hard counter, the bumper being the most obvious example, but making them fail while they are complacent is key to success. Don’t let the detail I gave you on the issues with AG put you off, I and others have saved a lot of people over the years, the issue is that you just do not see it. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/948 "2022-02-04T21:50:05Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > It’s good to read accounts showing gankers are not unbeatable. Not least because so many have an arrogant smugness that could do with being brought down a peg or two. No one is unbeatable? And I don’t think I’ve ever seen any ganker say otherwise LOL. This is EVE. Unless you never undock, you will die 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > a natural arrogance Oh, the irony. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > The advantages they have is also part of this complacency Oh, again the irony. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > he bumper being the most obvious example, but making them fail while they are complacent is key to success. Bumping is worthless, actually in part thanks to you apparently 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I and others have saved a lot of people over the years, the issue is that you just do not see it. Or um, it didn’t happen ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/950 "2022-02-04T23:29:13Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Like everything you claim to do. > You are trash. Not really. But honestly bro, I never report people as a rule. And I won’t break it, not even for you. But I gotta wonder at what point, should someone report you? I’m not ashamed of my zkills. Many others have already explained why a lot of people don’t post on it. So it don’t bother me none at all when you post it 😃 However, you are knowingly breaking the forum rules at this point and you’re doing it to get the thread locked. Bad form boyo. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/951 "2022-02-05T00:38:54Z")
Wouldn’t they just remove his posts? (The rule breaking ones.) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/952 "2022-02-05T00:41:40Z")
Not in my experience. They simply lock the thread. I mean it just sucks for the OP really. He’s already griefed a poor dude just looking for marauder fit help. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/953 "2022-02-05T01:22:51Z")
![here_we_go_again](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/4/d/24d6d1e7c7e4d55e513bfb5664cca697bdf29520.png) ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/954 "2022-02-05T02:37:11Z")
Oh hey! Another mentally stable “victim” ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/c/4ac0b9cceab29a21d45010e83698cd52adfe25dc.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/955 "2022-02-05T09:08:18Z")
Well he is not going to be mentally stable if that was true? However did you send him a gloating email at his ship loss which occurred at 17:00, and if you did why not include that here. Looking at it there is a line which indicates a reply to one of your mails. Tell me it ain’t so? Perhaps a full disclosure of the exchange is in order? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/956 "2022-02-05T10:48:26Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Oh hey! Another mentally stable “victim” Like you said one of your victims, don’t start trying to imply he is AG , he’s a victim of a gank and that’s it . Me and Wah and a few other went on a training op last night , without provocation wah got called things I can’t repeat here , no baiting or slow escalation , just vulgar abuse off the bat. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=46) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=48)